Excellent and timely post, Morgoth. I knew about the Jill Dando and Dr Kelly caes, and I remain troubled by them both, but I wasn't aware of the first two victims. I shall look into them further. As for the official narratives on Ann Widdecombe's murder, John Vernon's classic line in The Outlaw Josey Wales says it best: 'Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining'.
The weird thing is on Widdecombe, I can't actually think why the deep state would be bothered about her, so despite the fact I'll be accused of being a schizo for this post, I will probably accept it was a leftist.
Agreed. It is difficult to see her being deemed a serious threat to the Regime. An irritant, certainly, but not a threat. Occam's Razor suggests some sort of toxic leftist is indeed responsible. That being said, who knows?
I don't she represented a direct threat to power but she had an entire lifetime in Westminister Politics and a well documented Christian Moral Compass. She was of an certain age w no career aspiration and no leverage that could be used to keep her quiet. He opinions had weight because of her repuation... Very much like Jill Dando
As I was reading this masterful piece of yours, Mr. Morgoth, I began to wonder whether you would mention Dr David Kelly and I am glad that you did.
There are many well-known cases similar in their circumstances and murkiness from my own neck of the woods and from other Western countries. When you look closer into these cases, it becomes clear that the official narrative does not add up. It is often also clear who would have an axe to grind and an interest in sending a message.
The question then becomes what could be a reason for the powers that be _not_ to have acts committed when the "utility" therein is easy to see. I can think of only two: Backlash if the mainstream media reports on it and ethical qualms of the people involved. And now I shall say no more.
I’d always assumed that the Jill Dando murder was a simple tit-for-tat from the Serbian state as a response to their loss. As you say, there’s no evidence for an expose of the BBC and the killing lacks the signature of sexual gratification that you’d expect from a garden-variety stalker.
With regard to the deaths of Murrell & McRae, my own suspicion is that their focus on nuclear waste eventually led them to the subject of what specifically is generated as waste product and what use does it have? The nuclear energy program in the UK was never about electricity, but production of material for use in nuclear weapons. Opposing this puts you squarely at loggerheads with the state on a topic where there no negotiation or middle ground. The state, unable to compete in the realm of public opinion against the sophisticated and Hydra-headed opposition to nuclear energy decided to take the most effective pieces off the board and nerf the CND juggernaut. I wouldn’t be surprised if there there were several other deaths among those who fed Murrell & McRae key information, but never came under the same scrutiny. Given that America and the UK work closely on this subject, it may have been the American security apparatus who did the deed, their patience exhausted by our lack of effective action.
If you’ll forgive the hearsay, someone I trust was told by a medic who responded to the discovery of David Kelly’s that his body was found on scene with conductive jelly applied to his chest and flank. This is the cold jelly used when a nurse is taking an ECG or applying a defibrillator. He was likely killed with a defibrillator device. I’m not aware of any way to detect this in a postmortem.
A case you may not be familiar with is the death of private investigator Daniel Morgan, murdered in a pub car park with an axe to the head. He’d reputedly stepped onto corruption within the police force. Multiple investigations into his murder all collapsed spectacularly and mysteriously, with extensive wire-tapping and surveillance of those accused. Home Office inquiry-led reports into the matter were reviewed for “national security” reasons before release. A teasing clue comes from Mark Urban, the Telegraph’s national security and defense editor, a man with excellent connections to the special forces and intelligence world. Most of his books are factual, but he wrote two fictional novels long ago. One of them, “The Illegal”, concerns the murder of a man who investigating corruption and child abuse. I don’t think Urban is a novelist by disposition, but the only way a journalist can publish the really juicy stories you might hear in a noisy bar from a friend who’s had a little too much to drink is to change a few key details and sell it as fiction.
A salient counter-point to the view that the British state is happy to silence persons making a nuisance of themselves is that Alex Salmond died of natural causes. He was the single biggest threat to the union of the British Isles and caused a referendum that came within a whisker of fracturing it wholly. If the British government really is comfortable with burying all its problems, the portly Salmond should have died of a coronary in the early 2000s, long before the referendum.
In the mammoth documentary I linked to there's a quote from Blair that all that was standing in his way now was Salmond and that he ''just felt' he'd die soon.
My understanding is that the activists who had as first principles an objection to NATO and nuclear war would go after the waste element to avoid directly having to argue against Western defence during the Cold War.
This is a prominent issue in Who Dares Wins that we covered on Classic Movies.
Regarding the late Dr David Kelly, my late parents were both Baha'is, and I was raised in that faith until I was 19 and chose to become an Anglican Christian (which I remain to this day).
I chose not to become a member of the Baha'i faith decades ago, (you can't even join as a member until after you are 18 as the Baha'is believe your religion must be an educated and free choice). However, being raised in the faith does give me some insights into Dr Kelly's death.
Dr Kelly was the treasurer of the local Baha'is.
When he committed suicide, my mother was deeply upset. She said he must have been highly distressed and it drove him to suicide. My mother accepted it was suicide.
I have my doubts.
The Baha'is are adamantly against suicide; however, people who do commit suicide are forgiven by God in a sea of pardon. God is merciful. They are also entitled to a Baha'i funeral. However, the Baha'i faith remains adamantly against it. Baha'is believe in living your life to its natural end. This is heavily emphasized.
It seems Dr Kelly's faith should be considered as going against the case for suicide. I have never heard of any Baha'is committing suicide--I can't say that for people of other religions I have known.
Brilliant essay Morgoth. I don't honestly know how you manage to put all that together in such short space time (I guess you are now an old hand at this sort of thing now). Those earlier two cases (especially) brought to mind that brilliant 80s TV series Edge of Darkness.... Captured the odd world of British Intel Services, murky wet work + seedy undertones.
You are right though...the entire thing stinks of some sort deep establishment cover up. Having Starmer step down week after Rentboy's Trial concluded, Burhnam shuffled in and then this happening..... All very odd. Also, that snake Sen Lindsey Graham died in last 48hrs on way back from Ukraine + Sen Mitch McConnel also AWOL presumed dead. Who knows?
Is it even safe to discuss this matter (outside of this forum)? My mind is so full of this, I knew about Hilda Murrell, Dr David Kelly, Jill Dando but not the previous others. I couldn't hazard a guess what percentage of the UK population are conspiracy believers or deniers. I neither want to believe or disbelieve, I think there is a saying in the USA, about people from Missouri, who say, or used to, 'Show me'.
1st arrestee is a local Amazon driver. He delivered to her address. He happened to text his brother, the 2nd arrestee, to say "guess who i delivered to today". The 2nd guy who is apparently a recluse & probably not in the best state of mind drove to the address & did the job.
Sorry, I just don't see it as anything more than a loony leftist. Occams razor & all that. I expect to be accused of being an idiot or government stooge. I could be the 1st thing.
its a bit deeper that Mistrust in my case, I feel the police are actively hostile to "us" ,
did you notice they way that senior police man said "WHITE BRITISH MAN!!!" almost with glee
when he was discussing their fall guy attempt that failed
(that guys life was hanging by a thread for a bit ) ,
also don't you think he was odd he mentioned race at all ?
there was quite literally no need for him to do so , he was in custody ,
tbh I dont think it was the State, I admired her but lifting her to enemy of the state level ..is a bit over the top
I mean if they all willing to Kill her? why is Lowe Still alive ? why didn't they kill Jeremy Corbin ?
Yup we can no longer believe anything the News, the police , we are in a hyperreality
and now we have AI deep fakes on top of it , soon you we just have to assume anything we see or hear might not be real and just accept it the world be not "real" but "Surreal", like being slightly stoned 24/7
ive given up ...I dont watch the news , I've left X (2 years ago) ... your articles are my "touching base" ,
There's a whole angle on politicians being at risk as well. Farage's scandal is related to taking money, which he claims is being used to fund protection.
It occurred to me that were one to possess sensitive information, Widdecombe would be one of the few politicians one might trust. It's possible she was the unfortunate recipient of some dossier or another, whoever gave it her is most likely already dead. Or it could just be some Leftist with a head full of Nazis and transgenocide, there are plenty of those too.
Excellent and timely post, Morgoth. I knew about the Jill Dando and Dr Kelly caes, and I remain troubled by them both, but I wasn't aware of the first two victims. I shall look into them further. As for the official narratives on Ann Widdecombe's murder, John Vernon's classic line in The Outlaw Josey Wales says it best: 'Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining'.
Cheers.
The weird thing is on Widdecombe, I can't actually think why the deep state would be bothered about her, so despite the fact I'll be accused of being a schizo for this post, I will probably accept it was a leftist.
Agreed. It is difficult to see her being deemed a serious threat to the Regime. An irritant, certainly, but not a threat. Occam's Razor suggests some sort of toxic leftist is indeed responsible. That being said, who knows?
I don't she represented a direct threat to power but she had an entire lifetime in Westminister Politics and a well documented Christian Moral Compass. She was of an certain age w no career aspiration and no leverage that could be used to keep her quiet. He opinions had weight because of her repuation... Very much like Jill Dando
As I was reading this masterful piece of yours, Mr. Morgoth, I began to wonder whether you would mention Dr David Kelly and I am glad that you did.
There are many well-known cases similar in their circumstances and murkiness from my own neck of the woods and from other Western countries. When you look closer into these cases, it becomes clear that the official narrative does not add up. It is often also clear who would have an axe to grind and an interest in sending a message.
The question then becomes what could be a reason for the powers that be _not_ to have acts committed when the "utility" therein is easy to see. I can think of only two: Backlash if the mainstream media reports on it and ethical qualms of the people involved. And now I shall say no more.
I’d always assumed that the Jill Dando murder was a simple tit-for-tat from the Serbian state as a response to their loss. As you say, there’s no evidence for an expose of the BBC and the killing lacks the signature of sexual gratification that you’d expect from a garden-variety stalker.
With regard to the deaths of Murrell & McRae, my own suspicion is that their focus on nuclear waste eventually led them to the subject of what specifically is generated as waste product and what use does it have? The nuclear energy program in the UK was never about electricity, but production of material for use in nuclear weapons. Opposing this puts you squarely at loggerheads with the state on a topic where there no negotiation or middle ground. The state, unable to compete in the realm of public opinion against the sophisticated and Hydra-headed opposition to nuclear energy decided to take the most effective pieces off the board and nerf the CND juggernaut. I wouldn’t be surprised if there there were several other deaths among those who fed Murrell & McRae key information, but never came under the same scrutiny. Given that America and the UK work closely on this subject, it may have been the American security apparatus who did the deed, their patience exhausted by our lack of effective action.
If you’ll forgive the hearsay, someone I trust was told by a medic who responded to the discovery of David Kelly’s that his body was found on scene with conductive jelly applied to his chest and flank. This is the cold jelly used when a nurse is taking an ECG or applying a defibrillator. He was likely killed with a defibrillator device. I’m not aware of any way to detect this in a postmortem.
A case you may not be familiar with is the death of private investigator Daniel Morgan, murdered in a pub car park with an axe to the head. He’d reputedly stepped onto corruption within the police force. Multiple investigations into his murder all collapsed spectacularly and mysteriously, with extensive wire-tapping and surveillance of those accused. Home Office inquiry-led reports into the matter were reviewed for “national security” reasons before release. A teasing clue comes from Mark Urban, the Telegraph’s national security and defense editor, a man with excellent connections to the special forces and intelligence world. Most of his books are factual, but he wrote two fictional novels long ago. One of them, “The Illegal”, concerns the murder of a man who investigating corruption and child abuse. I don’t think Urban is a novelist by disposition, but the only way a journalist can publish the really juicy stories you might hear in a noisy bar from a friend who’s had a little too much to drink is to change a few key details and sell it as fiction.
A salient counter-point to the view that the British state is happy to silence persons making a nuisance of themselves is that Alex Salmond died of natural causes. He was the single biggest threat to the union of the British Isles and caused a referendum that came within a whisker of fracturing it wholly. If the British government really is comfortable with burying all its problems, the portly Salmond should have died of a coronary in the early 2000s, long before the referendum.
In the mammoth documentary I linked to there's a quote from Blair that all that was standing in his way now was Salmond and that he ''just felt' he'd die soon.
My understanding is that the activists who had as first principles an objection to NATO and nuclear war would go after the waste element to avoid directly having to argue against Western defence during the Cold War.
This is a prominent issue in Who Dares Wins that we covered on Classic Movies.
Regarding the late Dr David Kelly, my late parents were both Baha'is, and I was raised in that faith until I was 19 and chose to become an Anglican Christian (which I remain to this day).
I chose not to become a member of the Baha'i faith decades ago, (you can't even join as a member until after you are 18 as the Baha'is believe your religion must be an educated and free choice). However, being raised in the faith does give me some insights into Dr Kelly's death.
Dr Kelly was the treasurer of the local Baha'is.
When he committed suicide, my mother was deeply upset. She said he must have been highly distressed and it drove him to suicide. My mother accepted it was suicide.
I have my doubts.
The Baha'is are adamantly against suicide; however, people who do commit suicide are forgiven by God in a sea of pardon. God is merciful. They are also entitled to a Baha'i funeral. However, the Baha'i faith remains adamantly against it. Baha'is believe in living your life to its natural end. This is heavily emphasized.
It seems Dr Kelly's faith should be considered as going against the case for suicide. I have never heard of any Baha'is committing suicide--I can't say that for people of other religions I have known.
Either way, Rest in Peace, Dr Kelly.
Brilliant essay Morgoth. I don't honestly know how you manage to put all that together in such short space time (I guess you are now an old hand at this sort of thing now). Those earlier two cases (especially) brought to mind that brilliant 80s TV series Edge of Darkness.... Captured the odd world of British Intel Services, murky wet work + seedy undertones.
You are right though...the entire thing stinks of some sort deep establishment cover up. Having Starmer step down week after Rentboy's Trial concluded, Burhnam shuffled in and then this happening..... All very odd. Also, that snake Sen Lindsey Graham died in last 48hrs on way back from Ukraine + Sen Mitch McConnel also AWOL presumed dead. Who knows?
Is it even safe to discuss this matter (outside of this forum)? My mind is so full of this, I knew about Hilda Murrell, Dr David Kelly, Jill Dando but not the previous others. I couldn't hazard a guess what percentage of the UK population are conspiracy believers or deniers. I neither want to believe or disbelieve, I think there is a saying in the USA, about people from Missouri, who say, or used to, 'Show me'.
I know that line from Outlaw Josey Wales.
I think;
1st arrestee is a local Amazon driver. He delivered to her address. He happened to text his brother, the 2nd arrestee, to say "guess who i delivered to today". The 2nd guy who is apparently a recluse & probably not in the best state of mind drove to the address & did the job.
Sorry, I just don't see it as anything more than a loony leftist. Occams razor & all that. I expect to be accused of being an idiot or government stooge. I could be the 1st thing.
I agree this is most likely, even if it isn't that exciting for people.
its a bit deeper that Mistrust in my case, I feel the police are actively hostile to "us" ,
did you notice they way that senior police man said "WHITE BRITISH MAN!!!" almost with glee
when he was discussing their fall guy attempt that failed
(that guys life was hanging by a thread for a bit ) ,
also don't you think he was odd he mentioned race at all ?
there was quite literally no need for him to do so , he was in custody ,
tbh I dont think it was the State, I admired her but lifting her to enemy of the state level ..is a bit over the top
I mean if they all willing to Kill her? why is Lowe Still alive ? why didn't they kill Jeremy Corbin ?
Yup we can no longer believe anything the News, the police , we are in a hyperreality
and now we have AI deep fakes on top of it , soon you we just have to assume anything we see or hear might not be real and just accept it the world be not "real" but "Surreal", like being slightly stoned 24/7
ive given up ...I dont watch the news , I've left X (2 years ago) ... your articles are my "touching base" ,
thank you
I think in the Widdecombe case their original thought was to ensure nobody thought it was an immigrant. So they mentioned ''White British'' a lot.
But then they ran into a second problem, what if he was white but carried it out because he was ''woke''?
I’ve a feeling it’s linked to the by-election in Clacton, and it’s definitely a White man.
There's a whole angle on politicians being at risk as well. Farage's scandal is related to taking money, which he claims is being used to fund protection.
That’s the way I’m coming at it, they need Farage to stay in place.
I’m way out there I know. But I’ve always had my suspicions around the Ex-Labour leader John Smith.
In the sense that Blair would have been overlooked had he lived?
It occurred to me that were one to possess sensitive information, Widdecombe would be one of the few politicians one might trust. It's possible she was the unfortunate recipient of some dossier or another, whoever gave it her is most likely already dead. Or it could just be some Leftist with a head full of Nazis and transgenocide, there are plenty of those too.