Excellent and timely post, Morgoth. I knew about the Jill Dando and Dr Kelly caes, and I remain troubled by them both, but I wasn't aware of the first two victims. I shall look into them further. As for the official narratives on Ann Widdecombe's murder, John Vernon's classic line in The Outlaw Josey Wales says it best: 'Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining'.
The weird thing is on Widdecombe, I can't actually think why the deep state would be bothered about her, so despite the fact I'll be accused of being a schizo for this post, I will probably accept it was a leftist.
Dominic Cummings outed the deep state ages ago but the story of this guy they claimed did it, seems utterly unbelievable. The useless police force straight away wanted to pin it on a white man. Years ago, the police used to say, ‘We are investigating the matter and have taken x in for questioning’. They never spoke about charges until they were certain they had the right person.
Yes, and other standard lines for police press stand ups from a few years ago would be “our investigation is ongoing and it is too early at this stage to discuss matters related to motive, however we are following up all lines of enquiry”, etc, etc.
Agreed. It is difficult to see her being deemed a serious threat to the Regime. An irritant, certainly, but not a threat. Occam's Razor suggests some sort of toxic leftist is indeed responsible. That being said, who knows?
I don't she represented a direct threat to power but she had an entire lifetime in Westminister Politics and a well documented Christian Moral Compass. She was of an certain age w no career aspiration and no leverage that could be used to keep her quiet. He opinions had weight because of her repuation... Very much like Jill Dando
It's early days but I don't think it was a leftist. I think a leftist would have displayed some vanity about it already. Her killing is being openly celebrated by the left without doubt. I think a leftist killer would want to bask in some of that celebration. To them its like scoring a goal in the world cup semi final. I'm going for a disturbed ex cop or former military transgender. Someone who'd made credible threats that were "sadly ignored".
Regarding Dr David Kelly, my late parents were both Baha'is, and I was raised in that faith until I was 19 and chose to become an Anglican Christian (which I remain to this day).
I chose not to become a member of the Baha'i faith decades ago (you can't even join as a member until after you are 18 as the Baha'is believe your religion must be an educated and free choice). However, being raised in the faith does give me some insights into Dr Kelly's death.
Dr Kelly was the treasurer of the local Baha'is.
When he committed suicide, my mother was deeply upset. She said he must have been highly distressed and it drove him to suicide. My mother accepted it was suicide.
I have my doubts.
The Baha'is are adamantly against suicide; however, people who do commit suicide are forgiven by God in a sea of pardon. God is just and merciful. They are also entitled to a Baha'i funeral. The Baha'i faith remains adamantly against it. Baha'is believe in living your life to its natural end. This is heavily emphasized.
It seems Dr Kelly's faith should be considered as going against the case for suicide. I have never heard of any Baha'is committing suicide--I can't say that for people of other religions I have known.
I’d always assumed that the Jill Dando murder was a simple tit-for-tat from the Serbian state as a response to their loss. As you say, there’s no evidence for an expose of the BBC and the killing lacks the signature of sexual gratification that you’d expect from a garden-variety stalker.
With regard to the deaths of Murrell & McRae, my own suspicion is that their focus on nuclear waste eventually led them to the subject of what specifically is generated as waste product and what use does it have? The nuclear energy program in the UK was never about electricity, but production of material for use in nuclear weapons. Opposing this puts you squarely at loggerheads with the state on a topic where there no negotiation or middle ground. The state, unable to compete in the realm of public opinion against the sophisticated and Hydra-headed opposition to nuclear energy decided to take the most effective pieces off the board and nerf the CND juggernaut. I wouldn’t be surprised if there there were several other deaths among those who fed Murrell & McRae key information, but never came under the same scrutiny. Given that America and the UK work closely on this subject, it may have been the American security apparatus who did the deed, their patience exhausted by our lack of effective action.
If you’ll forgive the hearsay, someone I trust was told by a medic who responded to the discovery of David Kelly’s that his body was found on scene with conductive jelly applied to his chest and flank. This is the cold jelly used when a nurse is taking an ECG or applying a defibrillator. He was likely killed with a defibrillator device. I’m not aware of any way to detect this in a postmortem.
A case you may not be familiar with is the death of private investigator Daniel Morgan, murdered in a pub car park with an axe to the head. He’d reputedly stepped onto corruption within the police force. Multiple investigations into his murder all collapsed spectacularly and mysteriously, with extensive wire-tapping and surveillance of those accused. Home Office inquiry-led reports into the matter were reviewed for “national security” reasons before release. A teasing clue comes from Mark Urban, the Telegraph’s national security and defense editor, a man with excellent connections to the special forces and intelligence world. Most of his books are factual, but he wrote two fictional novels long ago. One of them, “The Illegal”, concerns the murder of a man who investigating corruption and child abuse. I don’t think Urban is a novelist by disposition, but the only way a journalist can publish the really juicy stories you might hear in a noisy bar from a friend who’s had a little too much to drink is to change a few key details and sell it as fiction.
A salient counter-point to the view that the British state is happy to silence persons making a nuisance of themselves is that Alex Salmond died of natural causes. He was the single biggest threat to the union of the British Isles and caused a referendum that came within a whisker of fracturing it wholly. If the British government really is comfortable with burying all its problems, the portly Salmond should have died of a coronary in the early 2000s, long before the referendum.
In the mammoth documentary I linked to there's a quote from Blair that all that was standing in his way now was Salmond and that he ''just felt' he'd die soon.
My understanding is that the activists who had as first principles an objection to NATO and nuclear war would go after the waste element to avoid directly having to argue against Western defence during the Cold War.
This is a prominent issue in Who Dares Wins that we covered on Classic Movies.
As I was reading this masterful piece of yours, Mr. Morgoth, I began to wonder whether you would mention Dr David Kelly and I am glad that you did.
There are many well-known cases similar in their circumstances and murkiness from my own neck of the woods and from other Western countries. When you look closer into these cases, it becomes clear that the official narrative does not add up. It is often also clear who would have an axe to grind and an interest in sending a message.
The question then becomes what could be a reason for the powers that be _not_ to have acts committed when the "utility" therein is easy to see. I can think of only two: Backlash if the mainstream media reports on it and ethical qualms of the people involved. And now I shall say no more.
I always wondered what the Government do with their retired assasins. How they're rewarded , how their loyalty is earned/traded revoked. I used to meet up with a couple of friends in the pub and speak about politics all the time. Kelly's death would often crop up because my friend's brother was a Labour Councillor and used to stone wall any suggestion that Tony Blair was a psychopathic war criminal. He would argue that Thatcher was worse because she allowed the torture of IRA men. But the guys that carry out or oversee the killing and torture must be men of rank and authority. They're not going to give the job to some fresh faced teenager are they? I think about the men who transitioned into politics after they've they've killed face to face. Not just on the field of battle but in woodland or a 'Safe House' cellar. There are probably more than we realise Paddy Ashdown, perhaps? Ant Middleton? The killing of Anna Lindh in Sweden was a curious one. It happened during the Swedish referendum on joining the Euro. Some claim she was sacrificed to gain public sympathy and encourage the undecided to vote in favour of her globalist views. I wonder how those giving the orders judge what is success or failure. How they manage the press etc. Anyway, every politician now knows theyre expendable if they didn't before. What really puzzles me though is some of them are insisting on state security. It would be the last thing I'd wish for. Great work as ever, Morgoth.
How do we not know that the woke balding fella was just a monitored radical that authorities knew but for power reasons thought ‘don’t intervene until after he does the deed’. The MK Ultra program that the CIA used minus the LSD experimenting used the tactic of how can radicalise and prod a mentally disturbed individual into our bidding that we can tactically benefit from.(all spy agencies had their own version)
Reform tried to get Rupert Lowe locked up. Perhaps in the hope he'd run into some lunatic in prison. I wouldn't put it past them. The MK Ultra theory isn't a bad one. We'll never know though.
its a bit deeper that Mistrust in my case, I feel the police are actively hostile to "us" ,
did you notice they way that senior police man said "WHITE BRITISH MAN!!!" almost with glee
when he was discussing their fall guy attempt that failed
(that guys life was hanging by a thread for a bit ) ,
also don't you think he was odd he mentioned race at all ?
there was quite literally no need for him to do so , he was in custody ,
tbh I dont think it was the State, I admired her but lifting her to enemy of the state level ..is a bit over the top
I mean if they all willing to Kill her? why is Lowe Still alive ? why didn't they kill Jeremy Corbin ?
Yup we can no longer believe anything the News, the police , we are in a hyperreality
and now we have AI deep fakes on top of it , soon you we just have to assume anything we see or hear might not be real and just accept it the world be not "real" but "Surreal", like being slightly stoned 24/7
ive given up ...I dont watch the news , I've left X (2 years ago) ... your articles are my "touching base" ,
they are goona pin on a guy framed as anti zio (probably a harmless guy prattling on on social media about JK) , Ann was a Zio , the new suspect is from a part of Rotherham , thats 93 percent white , with a Reform councillor, perfect ... blame the far right for the death of a rightist political figure
I am deeply suspicious on why they decided to block the CTV footage of the perpetrator forcing his way into Ann’s home which they deemed would make us jump to conclusions.
1st arrestee is a local Amazon driver. He delivered to her address. He happened to text his brother, the 2nd arrestee, to say "guess who i delivered to today". The 2nd guy who is apparently a recluse & probably not in the best state of mind drove to the address & did the job.
Sorry, I just don't see it as anything more than a loony leftist. Occams razor & all that. I expect to be accused of being an idiot or government stooge. I could be the 1st thing.
Up until yesterday I had a young friend who is very "left". When Charlie Kirk was killed he expressed that he felt he deserved it. I knew he was going to feel the same about Ann Widdecome so decided to cut ties. I don't think many people realise how complete the ideological divide is between my generation & the youth. Many of them are very radical & they do hate. Everybody needs a bete noire.
Side note that always sticks in my mind; why doesn't anyone theorise that Sasha Johnson was stopped by the state?
Good point and I totally believe that about Sasha Johnson, almost half her brain blown away by youths who just 'happened' to be in the vicinity. She had served her purpose and was no longer needed, Intelligence services in collab with Special Branch most likely. This is a slight tangent, but the Leftist rent-a-mob, Socialist Workers Party, who do you think supplies them with the funds/resources for those very professionally produced placards at demos etc? Also look into 'Operation Gladio', the IS and Special Branch are alleged to have covered for the extreme nutters like Gordon Jackson (not the actor!) who was active on the Nationalist Right in 1970s onwards.
Brilliant essay Morgoth. I don't honestly know how you manage to put all that together in such short space time (I guess you are now an old hand at this sort of thing now). Those earlier two cases (especially) brought to mind that brilliant 80s TV series Edge of Darkness.... Captured the odd world of British Intel Services, murky wet work + seedy undertones.
You are right though...the entire thing stinks of some sort deep establishment cover up. Having Starmer step down week after Rentboy's Trial concluded, Burhnam shuffled in and then this happening..... All very odd. Also, that snake Sen Lindsey Graham died in last 48hrs on way back from Ukraine + Sen Mitch McConnel also AWOL presumed dead. Who knows?
I dont agree Ann was knocked off (however I wont say its totally absurd ) but do agree something very fishy was going on with Stammer ALL these fancy political channels and NONE speculated on WHY he suddenly resigned , what is funny is the PM is an obvious joke just pushed and replaced and no one cares all they care about is there stupid party loyalties , but what is the POINT if the PM can just be thrown out and replaced .. whenever "THEY" want , the Sunnak Election was fishy to, everyone just suddenly decided not to run ?!? again no one cares , I heard from a Tory insider that Rishi was going to lose big as well . well obviously even the Tories don't want a Indian leader in reality , which means the Nigerians election was probably rigged too , perhaps to permanently sabotage them , soo reform to have its time as containment , spin the wheel , create change , make people feel the system matters
Is it even safe to discuss this matter (outside of this forum)? My mind is so full of this, I knew about Hilda Murrell, Dr David Kelly, Jill Dando but not the previous others. I couldn't hazard a guess what percentage of the UK population are conspiracy believers or deniers. I neither want to believe or disbelieve, I think there is a saying in the USA, about people from Missouri, who say, or used to, 'Show me'.
I have always stated this historically that even though the British Deep state is nowhere the size it used be in the empire days before it gave birth to its Powerful American son that now has the bigger global reach and power. I keep telling everyone who do you think inspired and taught the US gov, Russian Gov, Israeli Gov, Chinese Gov on how to properly contain its own domestic populations, surgically eliminate all threats, surveil all potential threats and weaponise the art of deception and war? It was the British Government who invented the first Concentration Camps, spy networks and intelligence agencies(going back to Sir John Dee in Elizabethan era aka the original 007), first proper modern Military, Navy, etc. The British state in my view is our original nemesis that birthed most of the centralised power we see and live with today.
My first time hearing of any of these; interesting topic. Regarding Dando, and the weapon used for the deed, they jump on this blank firing thing but never produce the actual device. The characteristics they attribute to it, subsonic, smoothbore, it's the perfect assassin weapon. Their preferred patsy was not that capable.
It occurred to me that were one to possess sensitive information, Widdecombe would be one of the few politicians one might trust. It's possible she was the unfortunate recipient of some dossier or another, whoever gave it her is most likely already dead. Or it could just be some Leftist with a head full of Nazis and transgenocide, there are plenty of those too.
Maybe the Salisbury poisonings were too obvious to mention, but that affair, for me, is the most astonishingly blatant intrusion of deep politics into the public realm since David Kelly/the Hutton Inquiry.
As the alleged suspect is not the full quota, he would be open to suggestion or easier to manipulate than the average person. He may have been incentivised by a third party, but who or what that third party is, will probably remain in a fetid corner out of our gaze, whether it is the unlikely “wet job” or the work of left wing extremism.
Funny how at the same time a muslamic festival in Suffolk had to be abandoned early, allegedly due to some sort of organised far right threat, with multiple arrests taking place. I don’t believe the state wants to put too much emphasis on left wing extremism, as this may inadvertently direct heat and scrutiny to many of the policy decisions made by our own state institutions the last few decades.
There's a whole angle on politicians being at risk as well. Farage's scandal is related to taking money, which he claims is being used to fund protection.
I pity the fool .... who don't hire da A-Team. Sucka! 🤣
But seriously, recently I asked Morgoth to do a film from his allotment, I'd like to see a bit of that BUT now I'm realising it would be very silly. Some friggin lunatic would track down & destroy his veg (& without being too dramatic, maybe more. I do think the combo of crazy people & the growing nastiness has gotten to this, I dont blame Morgoth for being sensibly secretive. ) - WTF happened to our country?
hes been doxed already , AND myself I think hes too nuanced to get targeted crazies , he doesnt really talk about the people that get really triggered anyway
Miles Goslett’s remarkable book, An Inconvenient Death, covers Dr Kelly’s death in great detail, and covers every piece of evidence that contradicts the suicide verdict and which were wilfully ignored by the Hutton inquiry. The Iraq war had already begun when Dr Kelly died. At the end of the book Goslett suggests that Dr Kelly, who moved in high circles, had been told of an establishment paedophile ring and was outraged. This is an alternative theory that suggests Iraq was not the reason for his death. All loose ends, the way the security services seem to like it.
Excellent and timely post, Morgoth. I knew about the Jill Dando and Dr Kelly caes, and I remain troubled by them both, but I wasn't aware of the first two victims. I shall look into them further. As for the official narratives on Ann Widdecombe's murder, John Vernon's classic line in The Outlaw Josey Wales says it best: 'Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining'.
Cheers.
The weird thing is on Widdecombe, I can't actually think why the deep state would be bothered about her, so despite the fact I'll be accused of being a schizo for this post, I will probably accept it was a leftist.
Dominic Cummings outed the deep state ages ago but the story of this guy they claimed did it, seems utterly unbelievable. The useless police force straight away wanted to pin it on a white man. Years ago, the police used to say, ‘We are investigating the matter and have taken x in for questioning’. They never spoke about charges until they were certain they had the right person.
Yes, and other standard lines for police press stand ups from a few years ago would be “our investigation is ongoing and it is too early at this stage to discuss matters related to motive, however we are following up all lines of enquiry”, etc, etc.
Agreed. It is difficult to see her being deemed a serious threat to the Regime. An irritant, certainly, but not a threat. Occam's Razor suggests some sort of toxic leftist is indeed responsible. That being said, who knows?
I don't she represented a direct threat to power but she had an entire lifetime in Westminister Politics and a well documented Christian Moral Compass. She was of an certain age w no career aspiration and no leverage that could be used to keep her quiet. He opinions had weight because of her repuation... Very much like Jill Dando
It's early days but I don't think it was a leftist. I think a leftist would have displayed some vanity about it already. Her killing is being openly celebrated by the left without doubt. I think a leftist killer would want to bask in some of that celebration. To them its like scoring a goal in the world cup semi final. I'm going for a disturbed ex cop or former military transgender. Someone who'd made credible threats that were "sadly ignored".
I guess that makes them a leftist....
Regarding Dr David Kelly, my late parents were both Baha'is, and I was raised in that faith until I was 19 and chose to become an Anglican Christian (which I remain to this day).
I chose not to become a member of the Baha'i faith decades ago (you can't even join as a member until after you are 18 as the Baha'is believe your religion must be an educated and free choice). However, being raised in the faith does give me some insights into Dr Kelly's death.
Dr Kelly was the treasurer of the local Baha'is.
When he committed suicide, my mother was deeply upset. She said he must have been highly distressed and it drove him to suicide. My mother accepted it was suicide.
I have my doubts.
The Baha'is are adamantly against suicide; however, people who do commit suicide are forgiven by God in a sea of pardon. God is just and merciful. They are also entitled to a Baha'i funeral. The Baha'i faith remains adamantly against it. Baha'is believe in living your life to its natural end. This is heavily emphasized.
It seems Dr Kelly's faith should be considered as going against the case for suicide. I have never heard of any Baha'is committing suicide--I can't say that for people of other religions I have known.
Either way, Rest in Peace, Dr Kelly.
I’d always assumed that the Jill Dando murder was a simple tit-for-tat from the Serbian state as a response to their loss. As you say, there’s no evidence for an expose of the BBC and the killing lacks the signature of sexual gratification that you’d expect from a garden-variety stalker.
With regard to the deaths of Murrell & McRae, my own suspicion is that their focus on nuclear waste eventually led them to the subject of what specifically is generated as waste product and what use does it have? The nuclear energy program in the UK was never about electricity, but production of material for use in nuclear weapons. Opposing this puts you squarely at loggerheads with the state on a topic where there no negotiation or middle ground. The state, unable to compete in the realm of public opinion against the sophisticated and Hydra-headed opposition to nuclear energy decided to take the most effective pieces off the board and nerf the CND juggernaut. I wouldn’t be surprised if there there were several other deaths among those who fed Murrell & McRae key information, but never came under the same scrutiny. Given that America and the UK work closely on this subject, it may have been the American security apparatus who did the deed, their patience exhausted by our lack of effective action.
If you’ll forgive the hearsay, someone I trust was told by a medic who responded to the discovery of David Kelly’s that his body was found on scene with conductive jelly applied to his chest and flank. This is the cold jelly used when a nurse is taking an ECG or applying a defibrillator. He was likely killed with a defibrillator device. I’m not aware of any way to detect this in a postmortem.
A case you may not be familiar with is the death of private investigator Daniel Morgan, murdered in a pub car park with an axe to the head. He’d reputedly stepped onto corruption within the police force. Multiple investigations into his murder all collapsed spectacularly and mysteriously, with extensive wire-tapping and surveillance of those accused. Home Office inquiry-led reports into the matter were reviewed for “national security” reasons before release. A teasing clue comes from Mark Urban, the Telegraph’s national security and defense editor, a man with excellent connections to the special forces and intelligence world. Most of his books are factual, but he wrote two fictional novels long ago. One of them, “The Illegal”, concerns the murder of a man who investigating corruption and child abuse. I don’t think Urban is a novelist by disposition, but the only way a journalist can publish the really juicy stories you might hear in a noisy bar from a friend who’s had a little too much to drink is to change a few key details and sell it as fiction.
A salient counter-point to the view that the British state is happy to silence persons making a nuisance of themselves is that Alex Salmond died of natural causes. He was the single biggest threat to the union of the British Isles and caused a referendum that came within a whisker of fracturing it wholly. If the British government really is comfortable with burying all its problems, the portly Salmond should have died of a coronary in the early 2000s, long before the referendum.
In the mammoth documentary I linked to there's a quote from Blair that all that was standing in his way now was Salmond and that he ''just felt' he'd die soon.
My understanding is that the activists who had as first principles an objection to NATO and nuclear war would go after the waste element to avoid directly having to argue against Western defence during the Cold War.
This is a prominent issue in Who Dares Wins that we covered on Classic Movies.
As I was reading this masterful piece of yours, Mr. Morgoth, I began to wonder whether you would mention Dr David Kelly and I am glad that you did.
There are many well-known cases similar in their circumstances and murkiness from my own neck of the woods and from other Western countries. When you look closer into these cases, it becomes clear that the official narrative does not add up. It is often also clear who would have an axe to grind and an interest in sending a message.
The question then becomes what could be a reason for the powers that be _not_ to have acts committed when the "utility" therein is easy to see. I can think of only two: Backlash if the mainstream media reports on it and ethical qualms of the people involved. And now I shall say no more.
I always wondered what the Government do with their retired assasins. How they're rewarded , how their loyalty is earned/traded revoked. I used to meet up with a couple of friends in the pub and speak about politics all the time. Kelly's death would often crop up because my friend's brother was a Labour Councillor and used to stone wall any suggestion that Tony Blair was a psychopathic war criminal. He would argue that Thatcher was worse because she allowed the torture of IRA men. But the guys that carry out or oversee the killing and torture must be men of rank and authority. They're not going to give the job to some fresh faced teenager are they? I think about the men who transitioned into politics after they've they've killed face to face. Not just on the field of battle but in woodland or a 'Safe House' cellar. There are probably more than we realise Paddy Ashdown, perhaps? Ant Middleton? The killing of Anna Lindh in Sweden was a curious one. It happened during the Swedish referendum on joining the Euro. Some claim she was sacrificed to gain public sympathy and encourage the undecided to vote in favour of her globalist views. I wonder how those giving the orders judge what is success or failure. How they manage the press etc. Anyway, every politician now knows theyre expendable if they didn't before. What really puzzles me though is some of them are insisting on state security. It would be the last thing I'd wish for. Great work as ever, Morgoth.
How do we not know that the woke balding fella was just a monitored radical that authorities knew but for power reasons thought ‘don’t intervene until after he does the deed’. The MK Ultra program that the CIA used minus the LSD experimenting used the tactic of how can radicalise and prod a mentally disturbed individual into our bidding that we can tactically benefit from.(all spy agencies had their own version)
Reform tried to get Rupert Lowe locked up. Perhaps in the hope he'd run into some lunatic in prison. I wouldn't put it past them. The MK Ultra theory isn't a bad one. We'll never know though.
We need be aware that our enemies are open to every option imaginable and possible. We need be the same.
its a bit deeper that Mistrust in my case, I feel the police are actively hostile to "us" ,
did you notice they way that senior police man said "WHITE BRITISH MAN!!!" almost with glee
when he was discussing their fall guy attempt that failed
(that guys life was hanging by a thread for a bit ) ,
also don't you think he was odd he mentioned race at all ?
there was quite literally no need for him to do so , he was in custody ,
tbh I dont think it was the State, I admired her but lifting her to enemy of the state level ..is a bit over the top
I mean if they all willing to Kill her? why is Lowe Still alive ? why didn't they kill Jeremy Corbin ?
Yup we can no longer believe anything the News, the police , we are in a hyperreality
and now we have AI deep fakes on top of it , soon you we just have to assume anything we see or hear might not be real and just accept it the world be not "real" but "Surreal", like being slightly stoned 24/7
ive given up ...I dont watch the news , I've left X (2 years ago) ... your articles are my "touching base" ,
thank you
I think in the Widdecombe case their original thought was to ensure nobody thought it was an immigrant. So they mentioned ''White British'' a lot.
But then they ran into a second problem, what if he was white but carried it out because he was ''woke''?
they are goona pin on a guy framed as anti zio (probably a harmless guy prattling on on social media about JK) , Ann was a Zio , the new suspect is from a part of Rotherham , thats 93 percent white , with a Reform councillor, perfect ... blame the far right for the death of a rightist political figure
I am deeply suspicious on why they decided to block the CTV footage of the perpetrator forcing his way into Ann’s home which they deemed would make us jump to conclusions.
I think;
1st arrestee is a local Amazon driver. He delivered to her address. He happened to text his brother, the 2nd arrestee, to say "guess who i delivered to today". The 2nd guy who is apparently a recluse & probably not in the best state of mind drove to the address & did the job.
Sorry, I just don't see it as anything more than a loony leftist. Occams razor & all that. I expect to be accused of being an idiot or government stooge. I could be the 1st thing.
I agree this is most likely, even if it isn't that exciting for people.
Up until yesterday I had a young friend who is very "left". When Charlie Kirk was killed he expressed that he felt he deserved it. I knew he was going to feel the same about Ann Widdecome so decided to cut ties. I don't think many people realise how complete the ideological divide is between my generation & the youth. Many of them are very radical & they do hate. Everybody needs a bete noire.
Side note that always sticks in my mind; why doesn't anyone theorise that Sasha Johnson was stopped by the state?
Good point and I totally believe that about Sasha Johnson, almost half her brain blown away by youths who just 'happened' to be in the vicinity. She had served her purpose and was no longer needed, Intelligence services in collab with Special Branch most likely. This is a slight tangent, but the Leftist rent-a-mob, Socialist Workers Party, who do you think supplies them with the funds/resources for those very professionally produced placards at demos etc? Also look into 'Operation Gladio', the IS and Special Branch are alleged to have covered for the extreme nutters like Gordon Jackson (not the actor!) who was active on the Nationalist Right in 1970s onwards.
Brilliant essay Morgoth. I don't honestly know how you manage to put all that together in such short space time (I guess you are now an old hand at this sort of thing now). Those earlier two cases (especially) brought to mind that brilliant 80s TV series Edge of Darkness.... Captured the odd world of British Intel Services, murky wet work + seedy undertones.
You are right though...the entire thing stinks of some sort deep establishment cover up. Having Starmer step down week after Rentboy's Trial concluded, Burhnam shuffled in and then this happening..... All very odd. Also, that snake Sen Lindsey Graham died in last 48hrs on way back from Ukraine + Sen Mitch McConnel also AWOL presumed dead. Who knows?
I dont agree Ann was knocked off (however I wont say its totally absurd ) but do agree something very fishy was going on with Stammer ALL these fancy political channels and NONE speculated on WHY he suddenly resigned , what is funny is the PM is an obvious joke just pushed and replaced and no one cares all they care about is there stupid party loyalties , but what is the POINT if the PM can just be thrown out and replaced .. whenever "THEY" want , the Sunnak Election was fishy to, everyone just suddenly decided not to run ?!? again no one cares , I heard from a Tory insider that Rishi was going to lose big as well . well obviously even the Tories don't want a Indian leader in reality , which means the Nigerians election was probably rigged too , perhaps to permanently sabotage them , soo reform to have its time as containment , spin the wheel , create change , make people feel the system matters
Is it even safe to discuss this matter (outside of this forum)? My mind is so full of this, I knew about Hilda Murrell, Dr David Kelly, Jill Dando but not the previous others. I couldn't hazard a guess what percentage of the UK population are conspiracy believers or deniers. I neither want to believe or disbelieve, I think there is a saying in the USA, about people from Missouri, who say, or used to, 'Show me'.
I know that line from Outlaw Josey Wales.
I have always stated this historically that even though the British Deep state is nowhere the size it used be in the empire days before it gave birth to its Powerful American son that now has the bigger global reach and power. I keep telling everyone who do you think inspired and taught the US gov, Russian Gov, Israeli Gov, Chinese Gov on how to properly contain its own domestic populations, surgically eliminate all threats, surveil all potential threats and weaponise the art of deception and war? It was the British Government who invented the first Concentration Camps, spy networks and intelligence agencies(going back to Sir John Dee in Elizabethan era aka the original 007), first proper modern Military, Navy, etc. The British state in my view is our original nemesis that birthed most of the centralised power we see and live with today.
My first time hearing of any of these; interesting topic. Regarding Dando, and the weapon used for the deed, they jump on this blank firing thing but never produce the actual device. The characteristics they attribute to it, subsonic, smoothbore, it's the perfect assassin weapon. Their preferred patsy was not that capable.
It occurred to me that were one to possess sensitive information, Widdecombe would be one of the few politicians one might trust. It's possible she was the unfortunate recipient of some dossier or another, whoever gave it her is most likely already dead. Or it could just be some Leftist with a head full of Nazis and transgenocide, there are plenty of those too.
Maybe the Salisbury poisonings were too obvious to mention, but that affair, for me, is the most astonishingly blatant intrusion of deep politics into the public realm since David Kelly/the Hutton Inquiry.
As the alleged suspect is not the full quota, he would be open to suggestion or easier to manipulate than the average person. He may have been incentivised by a third party, but who or what that third party is, will probably remain in a fetid corner out of our gaze, whether it is the unlikely “wet job” or the work of left wing extremism.
Funny how at the same time a muslamic festival in Suffolk had to be abandoned early, allegedly due to some sort of organised far right threat, with multiple arrests taking place. I don’t believe the state wants to put too much emphasis on left wing extremism, as this may inadvertently direct heat and scrutiny to many of the policy decisions made by our own state institutions the last few decades.
I’ve a feeling it’s linked to the by-election in Clacton, and it’s definitely a White man.
There's a whole angle on politicians being at risk as well. Farage's scandal is related to taking money, which he claims is being used to fund protection.
That’s the way I’m coming at it, they need Farage to stay in place.
I’m way out there I know. But I’ve always had my suspicions around the Ex-Labour leader John Smith.
In the sense that Blair would have been overlooked had he lived?
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5 million to fund protection ?!! who he is hiring the ATeam ?!
I pity the fool .... who don't hire da A-Team. Sucka! 🤣
But seriously, recently I asked Morgoth to do a film from his allotment, I'd like to see a bit of that BUT now I'm realising it would be very silly. Some friggin lunatic would track down & destroy his veg (& without being too dramatic, maybe more. I do think the combo of crazy people & the growing nastiness has gotten to this, I dont blame Morgoth for being sensibly secretive. ) - WTF happened to our country?
hes been doxed already , AND myself I think hes too nuanced to get targeted crazies , he doesnt really talk about the people that get really triggered anyway
Miles Goslett’s remarkable book, An Inconvenient Death, covers Dr Kelly’s death in great detail, and covers every piece of evidence that contradicts the suicide verdict and which were wilfully ignored by the Hutton inquiry. The Iraq war had already begun when Dr Kelly died. At the end of the book Goslett suggests that Dr Kelly, who moved in high circles, had been told of an establishment paedophile ring and was outraged. This is an alternative theory that suggests Iraq was not the reason for his death. All loose ends, the way the security services seem to like it.
Fascinating.