I appreciate all three of you sharing your thoughts about this subject. We are all living with the consequences of the death of Stephen Lawrence. A tragic but otherwise run-of-the-mill street stabbing, resulted in many extraordinary outcomes.
In my opinion, the Macpherson Report recommendation of suspending the 800-year-old double jeopardy rule, just so that Dobson and Norris could be retried and found guilty, was the most outrageous perversion of the law in English legal history.
Another event that gets little coverage, was the almost unbelievable UK government plot in 1999, involving the Met police, Scottish police, Mi5, the Royal Navy and the disgraced journalist, Martin Bashir, to spy on the suspects, using a navy submarine!
The plot, called Operation Purlin, failed because the lads never incriminated themselves during the two week spy project, when they stayed at a (ITV funded) luxury Perthshire farmhouse.
There were only a couple of reports of this fiasco published in the UK MSM and then the story vanished, as if sunk like the Belgrano!
You have to pay the “spare bedroom tax” so we can fund stunts like this. Yeah I came to the conclusion that the state utterly despises the native population a long time ago.
I see this as the left basically capturing the police to be their army. They wouldn't be able to go after rightists posting on social media without having first captured the police and turning it into an anti-White institution. The black activists did a lot of the work for them.
The anti-white fanatic Lee Jasper, seen in the documentary Morgoth mentioned (The Siege of Scotland Yard), personally did a lot of that work. Not coincidentally, he was a kind of protege of Richard Stone, who brought him to the inquiry to speak for blacks.
Thank you for this important and illuminating discussion. Despite living through this entire history, I feel like our eyes are now open to the shocking disinformation and psychological manipulation of the citizens by the organs of the British State. I am now so cynical of all accepted historical narratives hearing this deep dive into the primary sources is so refreshing.
The mention of the holocaust memorial is an important point. To inject it into the heart of London, the capital of the country that lost an empire to fight the Nazi's is like putting the nation in the same stocks of shame as our enemy in WWII.
Why is there not a memorial in Parliament Square to the victims of the grooming gangs, whose victims number are comparable to the total US casualties in the Vietnam war! Those that caused it should have to look at that monument every day.
I’ve heard on a few occasions that let’s just say Lawrence was no saint. Has anyone read any good books/podcasts exploring this angle? I recall the TRS guys doing a story about how Scotland Yard has used surveillance equipment on a submarine off the coast of Scotland to try to ensnare those accused lads while they were on holiday. Sounds nuts but google it.
These forays into how we got to be where we are now are pure gold - really, really crucial work. There are many other themes and strands to explore, and I hope you do just that in due course. Excellent work, gentlemen.
Great round table. Also, there was a Martin Bashir program that went out in 1999 where interviewed the suspects and it showed a lot of of the camera footage from the Flat which was quite revealing some of it is on YouTube.
That footage does more than anything else to make me think that those guys didn’t commit the murder, or at least they can’t all have been in on it. They seem genuinely surprised to be accused of it.
1.38, the person you are talking about is Richard D Hall, I have an in-group bias, I think he is from Durham. I don't agree with his conclusions but I don't doubt his sincerity, he makes the establishment nervous because he might spot things they miss.
From what I’ve seen, he was found to have harassed someone on the basis that he rang their doorbell once (and walked away when there was no answer). Could be an exaggeration but I think basically he was targeted to be silenced. He also raised all sorts of doubts about the murderer of Jo Cox, I recall.
One thing I have noticed, there is a growing trend of people in right leaning circles realising the immigrants are a symptom and not the disease. More ire is being directed to the political and media mafia. The disease is what needs to be cut out or treated.
Listening to Professor David Betz and his touting of a civil war along inter ethnic lines makes me think he is merely misdirecting from where the battle lines need to be. If any other person said some of the things he has said, they would be getting a knock on the door from old bill.
If we try to imagine a world without traitors having done what they’ve done over the last century or so, it is pretty hard to see what quarrels we would have with the people of Pakistan, Somalia or wherever. Mostly we would have simply not encountered them. Our rulers decided to use them against us. Ideally we can unwind these dreadful problems peacefully and humanely. Naturally our patience has limits though, and those of them who’ve chosen barbarism against us can justly be met with something similar.
If one’s patience has expired, it is important to remember any revenge against foreigners involves stiffer punishment, if caught, because of the racial makeup of the offence. It’s not worth it, better to go for the head of the serpent.
Your point about these people being used against us is purely on a class basis. We never hear about the white underclass anymore. It’s just been left to fester.
Totally unrelated to the chat, but I have to ask what the music is that plays in the intro and outro. The standard music recogniser applications can't match it.
I appreciate all three of you sharing your thoughts about this subject. We are all living with the consequences of the death of Stephen Lawrence. A tragic but otherwise run-of-the-mill street stabbing, resulted in many extraordinary outcomes.
In my opinion, the Macpherson Report recommendation of suspending the 800-year-old double jeopardy rule, just so that Dobson and Norris could be retried and found guilty, was the most outrageous perversion of the law in English legal history.
Another event that gets little coverage, was the almost unbelievable UK government plot in 1999, involving the Met police, Scottish police, Mi5, the Royal Navy and the disgraced journalist, Martin Bashir, to spy on the suspects, using a navy submarine!
The plot, called Operation Purlin, failed because the lads never incriminated themselves during the two week spy project, when they stayed at a (ITV funded) luxury Perthshire farmhouse.
There were only a couple of reports of this fiasco published in the UK MSM and then the story vanished, as if sunk like the Belgrano!
https://archive.ph/PtyZI
It becomes hard to refute those who say the British State is evil incarnate.
You have to pay the “spare bedroom tax” so we can fund stunts like this. Yeah I came to the conclusion that the state utterly despises the native population a long time ago.
That bedroom tax brought me to utter penury.
It is impossible to refute.
What a high profile cast!
Hi Morgoth, thanks for this. You and Woes are my favourite match up. PS. Have you heard of the recently released movie "Citizen Vigilante"?
Yeah I have, I've only seen about 30 minutes of it so far.
I'd love to hear your review of this film, which is essentially a 90 minute fedpost. Ewe Boll's style grows on you, give it a chance.
Elon Musk posted the full movie on X.
I see this as the left basically capturing the police to be their army. They wouldn't be able to go after rightists posting on social media without having first captured the police and turning it into an anti-White institution. The black activists did a lot of the work for them.
The anti-white fanatic Lee Jasper, seen in the documentary Morgoth mentioned (The Siege of Scotland Yard), personally did a lot of that work. Not coincidentally, he was a kind of protege of Richard Stone, who brought him to the inquiry to speak for blacks.
Thank you for this important and illuminating discussion. Despite living through this entire history, I feel like our eyes are now open to the shocking disinformation and psychological manipulation of the citizens by the organs of the British State. I am now so cynical of all accepted historical narratives hearing this deep dive into the primary sources is so refreshing.
The mention of the holocaust memorial is an important point. To inject it into the heart of London, the capital of the country that lost an empire to fight the Nazi's is like putting the nation in the same stocks of shame as our enemy in WWII.
Why is there not a memorial in Parliament Square to the victims of the grooming gangs, whose victims number are comparable to the total US casualties in the Vietnam war! Those that caused it should have to look at that monument every day.
I’ll do more of these, glad you enjoyed it.
I’ve long said I’d have a giant statue of a school girl with a knife in her back so we “Never Forget”.
I’ve heard on a few occasions that let’s just say Lawrence was no saint. Has anyone read any good books/podcasts exploring this angle? I recall the TRS guys doing a story about how Scotland Yard has used surveillance equipment on a submarine off the coast of Scotland to try to ensnare those accused lads while they were on holiday. Sounds nuts but google it.
Martin mentions that in the comments above.
Stephen Lawrence travelled to Eltham (then a White area) for the purpose of selling drugs to the local schoolchildren, and also for some shoplifting.
These forays into how we got to be where we are now are pure gold - really, really crucial work. There are many other themes and strands to explore, and I hope you do just that in due course. Excellent work, gentlemen.
Will do, cheers.
Thankyou.
Great round table. Also, there was a Martin Bashir program that went out in 1999 where interviewed the suspects and it showed a lot of of the camera footage from the Flat which was quite revealing some of it is on YouTube.
That footage does more than anything else to make me think that those guys didn’t commit the murder, or at least they can’t all have been in on it. They seem genuinely surprised to be accused of it.
I’ve thought since watching that in 99 that they probably didn’t do it. But, at the time, Britain had to have its Rodney King moment.
Morgoth, what is the classical music opener song? Absolute cracker.
It's Mishima by Philip Glass. I always find something in Glass that speaks to grand unraveling of modernity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9rB33JnvyM
Very dodgy case, but it paved the way for the situation we are in now.
Interesting talk! I heard about this case at the time from where I am in Switzerland.
Any news I hear from the UK I usually find rather depressing.
I think that’s intentional on the part of the people who produce the news here.
1.38, the person you are talking about is Richard D Hall, I have an in-group bias, I think he is from Durham. I don't agree with his conclusions but I don't doubt his sincerity, he makes the establishment nervous because he might spot things they miss.
His web site is here https://www.richplanet.net/
If I'm ever back home I will happily buy him a pint.
From what I’ve seen, he was found to have harassed someone on the basis that he rang their doorbell once (and walked away when there was no answer). Could be an exaggeration but I think basically he was targeted to be silenced. He also raised all sorts of doubts about the murderer of Jo Cox, I recall.
Maybe if he joined Hope Not Hate they would let him ring on random doorbells to his heart's content.
He now lives in Wales (Merthyr).
Three excellent speakers.
One thing I have noticed, there is a growing trend of people in right leaning circles realising the immigrants are a symptom and not the disease. More ire is being directed to the political and media mafia. The disease is what needs to be cut out or treated.
Listening to Professor David Betz and his touting of a civil war along inter ethnic lines makes me think he is merely misdirecting from where the battle lines need to be. If any other person said some of the things he has said, they would be getting a knock on the door from old bill.
If we try to imagine a world without traitors having done what they’ve done over the last century or so, it is pretty hard to see what quarrels we would have with the people of Pakistan, Somalia or wherever. Mostly we would have simply not encountered them. Our rulers decided to use them against us. Ideally we can unwind these dreadful problems peacefully and humanely. Naturally our patience has limits though, and those of them who’ve chosen barbarism against us can justly be met with something similar.
If one’s patience has expired, it is important to remember any revenge against foreigners involves stiffer punishment, if caught, because of the racial makeup of the offence. It’s not worth it, better to go for the head of the serpent.
Your point about these people being used against us is purely on a class basis. We never hear about the white underclass anymore. It’s just been left to fester.
It’s all just emotional blackmail
Totally unrelated to the chat, but I have to ask what the music is that plays in the intro and outro. The standard music recogniser applications can't match it.
It’s a cover of Mishima by Philip Glass.
Thanks a bunch Morgoth!