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KlarkashTon's avatar

An all-too accurate analysis. Do the NIMBY-Greens from the middle to lower echelons have an "endgame"? What is their ideal state of affairs, say, ten years down the line? How realistic do they think a more civil, less criminal, less derelict future is if their policy proposals are implemented? The cognitive dissonance must be off the charts.

Morgoth's avatar

Yeah I think it's insane. It's why I stressed ''reality'' in the piece because they just don't seem to want to accept it.

Joel Pacheco's avatar

Having worked with offices chock-full of SJWs over the decades, I can assure you that none of these people will ever have an awakening. Wokery is the religion of the godless and the lost. They have no other faith to turn to--common sense is beyond them. I've given up on all of them, and instead, I will focus on only saving the like-minded from the coming upheaval.

Morgoth's avatar

But would these SJWs agree to have asylum seekers placed in their areas, or chicken out like the Greens? Because that's when the rubber hits the road in terms of belief.

Joel Pacheco's avatar

Honestly, most of them no longer live in their native dystopias. I've heard through former co-workers that they do everything possible to live abroad.

And no, they are all NIMBYs on steroids.

Tipsy Saturn's avatar

I had the same it my last work in the east midlands. Guys at work that would tell you they aren't racist but have moved an hour out of the city and commute in as the city is a mess but they will give you different reasons why they did it. Ironically in the next breath one of the guys would complain about neighbours knocking on the door to say hello and that tractors and deer exist.

Lower World Diaries's avatar

I used to love walking home from the pub under orange lights. It had a real noir feel to it.

Morgoth's avatar

It's weird how, about ten years ago, I began feeling that walking streets felt colder and ''liminal'' but didn't understand why. I knew something had changed, but didn't know what.

Lower World Diaries's avatar

Went from feeling like a mid-century private investigator to a rat maze test subject.

WeepingWillow's avatar

I know here in Aus that the Greens rabidly support migrants and refugees because they are the only group outside of the deep inner city airheads who votes for them. I'm not sure if it's the same there.

The biggest hypocrisy of it all for the Greens is that rapidly increasing population directly contradicts any and all environmental goals.

An honest green party would be advocating for population reduction.

Tipsy Saturn's avatar

The irony is they used to talk about how people need to have less kids

Joel Pacheco's avatar

'As they attempt to do so, their left, woke, flank is being carved off into a thoroughly astroturfed Green Party insurgency '

The rise of religious and ethnic political parties in the UK in the next 2-3 years will annihilate whatever is left of the Labour Party.

Hinch's avatar

Two or three years ago we had a brief discussion about the Danish left-wing crack down on illegal immigrants. Funny how it takes a Pakistani Labour Home Secretary to begin to roll back the tide in Britain. Yet another shift of the Overton Window in our direction.

Morgoth's avatar

I should probably do a follow-up to this article, focused more on Labour. I know people tend to think they *want* chaos or civil unrest etc, but that's just bad rule. I think they want stability, as any ruling class does.

KlarkashTon's avatar

I agree that the ruling class wants division, perhaps along ethnic lines, but does not want civil unrest or actual chaos. In light of this, I suppose it may make sense for the powers that be to be lenient against certain types of crime commonly associated with certain people. What I do not understand is why also in the case of severe violent crime some perpetrators appear to get a very soft treatment. You would think that it would make sense to harshly punish those _really_ bad apples, at least those with high visibility to the public, if only not to jeopardize the greater political project.

Tipsy Saturn's avatar

They are at a catch 22 is why. If they properly prosecuted crime we would be able to go see look at this arrest stat that says 90% of criminals are migrants and the whole thing collapses. They are repressing rates to hide the issue on paper at the expense of making it worse in reality.

Hinch's avatar

I would be very interested to read that. The idea that Labour just want to flood the country with foreigners took a backwards step yesterday.

When either Labour or the Tories are in power, they have the ability to carry out each other’s unpopular policies, because they are supported by their enemies. And “The State” rolls on.

Captain Smith's avatar

I've seen a few cases of people saying they were on 'the left', before having some direct experience with a migrant hotel which completely changed their view on the 'refugees'. The most prominent being that Migrant Hotel Manager guy who got his free lunch from a hotel by pretending to be an asylum seeker, and then got raided and arrested by the police for his trouble. I note he's also from a foreign background like the home secretary.

I still can't believe the Green woman actually said doctors and engineers, pure meme magic. The middle class Britlibs know the score but they can't say it, they have to couch their opposition in concern for the foreigners. I remember seeing protests against housing them at RAF Wethersfield in rural Essex, literally white boomers chanting that 'the asylum seekers deserve better'.

Arasaka's avatar

Reminds me of that joke: Q: What's the difference between a tourist in Africa and a racist? A: About 2 weeks.

Tipsy Saturn's avatar

The sad thing is a know a girl from there (now in the west) who's still anti-racist. Some people just don't learn or ignore the contradiction until it slaps them in the face, or stabs them

John Mattingley's avatar

What indeed is the Green’s end-point?

When we are all standing shoulder to shoulder in massed ranks from Land’s End to John O’Groats, arse deep in our own waste?

Not too pleasant, but think of the GDP.

Sorearm's avatar

Great article. The pushback against the green NIMBY by her own constituency was delicious

Gilgamech's avatar

Greens are very popular with the yoof. Their weak link is Polanski being pro-Israel - young people don't like that.

Morgoth's avatar

I have a feeling that's why they're being astroturfed, to prevent Corbyn making a comeback on Labour's left.

Gilgamech's avatar

That is a really good deduction. Nice one.

Alfonz's avatar

The idea that 'Zach Polanski' has any popular appeal outside middle class leftist cliques of people who were already voting Green or Labour is hilarious and delusional.

The middle classes think that the 'politics of hope' that appeals to the white working class is raising taxes and spending money on social programmes. This worked somewhat in the 40s and 50s when the money was benefiting our own - it does not work now when the welfare state is being blatantly gamed by organised and hostile aliens.

EW's avatar

Talking with the Greens is a waste of time as there are not-so-subtle religious undertones why they uphold the ideals they uphold. They uphold them because of Holy Tolerance and Holy Brown People Are Good and All White People Are Racist. Everyone who says otherwise is some kind of fascist or Putin-lover. Arguing is burning time. One can only spend his time on Earth once.

Irradiator's avatar

Yknow, I once heard a theory that all modern "Green Movements" in the west were cultivated and funded by post KGB demoralization campaigns, like the one Yuri Bez described the soviets as doing. Each year that passes I think it less and less implausible.