I’m glad this debate is happening, and thank you for reporting on it. It lays bare that the established right are not even “controlled opposition”. They are 100% part of the problem. As agents of the system, they are not going to listen. They will keep polishing their rhetoric to defend the system and try to dissipate any radical energies, right up until the day their dam is washed away.
As a boomer I am sick to the back teeth of my fellow boomers cleaving to this kumbaya boomer truth.
I have attended several Scruton conferences. These have in recent years been dispiriting affairs (Never mind multiculturalism, even pushing climate change, for God’s sake!) And so I watched this conference online.
It did indeed feel different - as if a dam had been breached. You are right, the presence of suited and booted, highly intelligent and highly articulate young people unnerved the boomer panel. It is a start, and a bloody good one.
One thing which has puzzled me about the push for mass immigration for a long time is the question why they do not go for a "slow boil" approach and why they make absolutely no effort to dress it up as being in good faith. There has been substantial immigration into the West for decades - if it had just continued along the trajectory it had until, say, the late 90s, would there have been the kind of push-back as there is now? I do not think so. Also, would it not be at least tactically more prudent to adopt a (visibly) harsh line against the really bad apples among immigrants? That would not make a big difference in terms of numbers and yet one would suppose that that would reduce opposition to immigration by at least a couple of percentage points. One is almost led to believe that there is a rush to create facts on the ground in a time window that is perceived to be limited.
But these are the only immigrants our so called elites really know. They went to university with them, spent time at each others holiday homes etc. They seem to have an inbuilt desire to show them how how onboard they are with multiculturalism. There are favours exchanged of course. This is the exclusive club where the membership requires the betrayal of their own people. The other facet and ally is the LGBTQ mafia.
My reference point nowadays is Covid. We witnessed mass hysteria, even among the technocrats and their minions. Groupthink is maybe the word. If you read the literature around mass migration, diversity and all the rest there is a zeal to it that we perhaps overlook. No one can argue the immigration policy helps the economy; this has not only been debunked bu t is visibly false if you walk through any major city during the day. Too many unemployed.
So I think we are dealing with something akin to a cult that has drawn in even the notional conservatives. I suspect that is why establishment conservatives are shocked at the young bucks who are questioning what they can see on the streets for themselves as cn the rest of us.
I also got the feeling in 2015 that the regime were working to a clock and for whatever reason had to try and achieve all their goals right there & then. Perhaps some esoteric lore or just nonsense the upper elites take seriously, prophecies, astrology, etc.
That´s certainly a possibility. Another reason for having a set timeline could be the debt situation of the Western economies. There may be projections at which point in time debt becomes unsustainable, the solution then being a switch to CBDCs. The political fallout of that may be in some sense easier to "manage" with "diversity".
The reason has been explained elsewhere. Immigration is always economic but now it's not to support the rebuilding of the country, the building of new towns or burgeoning industries. It's to manage inflation to avoid debt default. The government doesn't decide this, the City does.
What are they aiming for? Does heritage mean nothing to them? I get that the deranged have bought into some rainbow nation rhetoric and lack direct experience with which to form a more realistic assessment. Wealthy types living far from the front etc. They don't see the reality.
But how can these people argue in favour of mass immigration that is evidently deeply unpopular? I don't get it. Are they unable to do a basic threat assessment for themselves or their children? I'm not even talking about violence, just the extra competition with ethnic groups who favour each other in the job market. This has directly affected me on multiple occasions. Not bad people, just an ethnic solidarity that belongs in a different continent but is now within our borders. Foreigners getting jobs now out of my reach.
I am baffled as to what is going through their minds. Can they really not be concerned about the unrest that follows massive influxes of alien people? Do they think our future will be peaceful as rival groups take more political power?
The most revealing thing about the Old Guard isn’t what they say, but what they can’t say. These so-called centre-right types are muzzled by intellectual respectability, middle-class squeamishness, and their own financial ties to the mass importation of the Third World. They're not conserving anything, just applying a genteel gloss to national decline.
We have reached, what I would call, ' a Cromwellian Moment.' That is, when a man's beliefs in his country and his place in that country have been shattered.
When a man realizes that his government has betrayed him. (Expressed well in the 1970 film Cromwell):
'Gentlemen, an immovable Parliament is more obnoxious than an immovable king! You are drunkards, tricksters, villains, whoremasters, godless, self-seeking, ambitious tricksters. You are no more capable of conducting the affairs of this nation than you are of running a brothel!'
When a man finds himself in a world he no longer recognizes as his own. When he realizes that he is being pushed out of his own place. England (and the collective West) are now in this moment. This is all or nothing. This the moment when you no longer fear the government or care what anyone else thinks. You realize that you are now fighting for your physical survival (and the physical survival of your people and world).
'In the name of God! What are we all? Men? Cowering and quivering like downtrodden serfs. The king is not England, and England is not the king! It is not the survival of the king that is at issue here. It is the survival of England. And this king, by his dishonesties, by his treasons, and by his secret treaties with foreign powers, has shown himself to be ill-fitted to govern this great nation!'
Add to 'the King' (or replace with Prime Minister' or 'President'--depending on the Western country) the politcal classes, the mainstream churches, and the business elites, and here we are today.
And though the numbers may be against us in many ways, I would like to add one more bit of dialog from the excellent Cromwell film:
'Was not Gideon outnumbered by the Amalekites? It is not numbers that count, but speed and surprise. Let no man move, except upon the word of his commander! Though we be outnumbered, we shall win this battle! I promise you! So now put your faith in God and keep your powder dry.'
What I now see in Western countries is an emerging third world that I never asked for, voted for, or consented to.
This is our Cromwellian Moment. I thank God that most of us now realize it.
He compares today's situation to the Norman conquest, a military invasion of Britain. Presumably if Tombs had been present in the 11th century he would be advocating for a policy of cultural integration as the troops stormed over the countryside.
If these fantastical notions were remotely true, children and grandchildren of migrants would be the more assimilated, law-abiding ones. In fact, it is quite the opposite, as has been shown statistically in Scandinavia. Despite the professed quasi-religious convictions, mass migration advocates (not the deliberately malicious, anti-white ones) know full well they have wrought tremendous and irreversible destruction. To admit error, though, is to sin. This may be a specie of social conformity, but it is especially cowardly and intellectually dishonest one. These types also see the cultural genocide and brags about ethnic replacement, and knowing full well it came about in part due to their hand, they say nothing. Even outright traitors exhibit more bravery. Disgusting lot.
I remember coming across Stefan Molyneux in 2014, and via YouTube recommendations then The Golden One, Woes, Sargon (who I never took to, the smugness put me off), Ed Dutton, Styxhexenhammer (I thought he was interesting back in 2016/7), Paul Joseph Watson, etc. Previously I only knew sad-faced men in tweed, Scruton, Theodore Dalrymple etc. The sheer energy of Molyneux was something different, I felt this was something new, that the Right wasn't just weary old men bemoaning litter & swearing, or Combat 18 types, but there was suddenly this cadre of young and youngish men, fiery but eloquent, funny, skilled at presentation, theatrical, witty, charismatic, mostly very likeable. Some might be weird or gay or smallhatted or have large blindspots but the existence of even oddballs like Fuentes, BAP etc stirs things up, someone like Thomas777 is a walking rebuke to normie conservatism, I mean the fact that he exists is itself kind of amazing and inspiring. Morgoth himself is another, the incongruous blend of a strong Geordie accent, the worldview of a working class guy born in the 70s, but he happens to read Spengler and writes like an angel: there's tremendous new energy here, and energy attracts energy, and compels attention. The sad-faced old men in tweed can only harrumph and mutter in chagrin.
It's an ordinary human instinct, to seek agreement, common ground. I myself want to avoid conflict, it's just that I've learnt there's no point conceding an inch to the progs, so I harden my heart and wish them ill. The older generation are/were too civilised, too much from the older world.
Excellent piece as always Morgoth. I think downstream of all this playing out, is the interpretation by the populace, which we have mentioned many a time can only end in violence. A blood meridian in the UK. I am hopeful that the newer generation are able to push back so vehemently against this “establishment”, which has more than passed its sell by date. We are entering choppy waters in the next 5 years, after which the landscape and institutions will look completely different. It may take some battles and hard decisions to get there, and we must go through some difficult times, but we will come out the other side bruised, but better for it. We’ve kicked the can down the road too far, now is a reckoning. I really hope we don’t have some form of civil war, and smarter heads prevail. This is encouraging.
“a vegi-burger incarnation of the English… akin to Quorn or Uncle Bill’s Franken sausages made out of 3-D printed slurry” you have a way with words sir!
I’m glad this debate is happening, and thank you for reporting on it. It lays bare that the established right are not even “controlled opposition”. They are 100% part of the problem. As agents of the system, they are not going to listen. They will keep polishing their rhetoric to defend the system and try to dissipate any radical energies, right up until the day their dam is washed away.
I think the panic is also a recognition that there's a new, younger network around now.
Indeed; his majesty's loyal opposition right enough. Right wing liberals.
As a boomer I am sick to the back teeth of my fellow boomers cleaving to this kumbaya boomer truth.
I have attended several Scruton conferences. These have in recent years been dispiriting affairs (Never mind multiculturalism, even pushing climate change, for God’s sake!) And so I watched this conference online.
It did indeed feel different - as if a dam had been breached. You are right, the presence of suited and booted, highly intelligent and highly articulate young people unnerved the boomer panel. It is a start, and a bloody good one.
Right on the mark as always, Morgoth.
They can pretend to be us back in their ancestral homelands,
One thing which has puzzled me about the push for mass immigration for a long time is the question why they do not go for a "slow boil" approach and why they make absolutely no effort to dress it up as being in good faith. There has been substantial immigration into the West for decades - if it had just continued along the trajectory it had until, say, the late 90s, would there have been the kind of push-back as there is now? I do not think so. Also, would it not be at least tactically more prudent to adopt a (visibly) harsh line against the really bad apples among immigrants? That would not make a big difference in terms of numbers and yet one would suppose that that would reduce opposition to immigration by at least a couple of percentage points. One is almost led to believe that there is a rush to create facts on the ground in a time window that is perceived to be limited.
Also the type of immigrants. High Caste Indians, Chinese, or Latinos would not have been so destabilizing as what we got.
But these are the only immigrants our so called elites really know. They went to university with them, spent time at each others holiday homes etc. They seem to have an inbuilt desire to show them how how onboard they are with multiculturalism. There are favours exchanged of course. This is the exclusive club where the membership requires the betrayal of their own people. The other facet and ally is the LGBTQ mafia.
Probably better to get the worst right at the front of it
My reference point nowadays is Covid. We witnessed mass hysteria, even among the technocrats and their minions. Groupthink is maybe the word. If you read the literature around mass migration, diversity and all the rest there is a zeal to it that we perhaps overlook. No one can argue the immigration policy helps the economy; this has not only been debunked bu t is visibly false if you walk through any major city during the day. Too many unemployed.
So I think we are dealing with something akin to a cult that has drawn in even the notional conservatives. I suspect that is why establishment conservatives are shocked at the young bucks who are questioning what they can see on the streets for themselves as cn the rest of us.
There definitely is a quasi-religious element to it. In the minds of these fossils, to admit error is to sin. There's no dealing with that.
I also got the feeling in 2015 that the regime were working to a clock and for whatever reason had to try and achieve all their goals right there & then. Perhaps some esoteric lore or just nonsense the upper elites take seriously, prophecies, astrology, etc.
That´s certainly a possibility. Another reason for having a set timeline could be the debt situation of the Western economies. There may be projections at which point in time debt becomes unsustainable, the solution then being a switch to CBDCs. The political fallout of that may be in some sense easier to "manage" with "diversity".
The reason has been explained elsewhere. Immigration is always economic but now it's not to support the rebuilding of the country, the building of new towns or burgeoning industries. It's to manage inflation to avoid debt default. The government doesn't decide this, the City does.
I think it jas to follow a timeline from the Talmud.
What are they aiming for? Does heritage mean nothing to them? I get that the deranged have bought into some rainbow nation rhetoric and lack direct experience with which to form a more realistic assessment. Wealthy types living far from the front etc. They don't see the reality.
But how can these people argue in favour of mass immigration that is evidently deeply unpopular? I don't get it. Are they unable to do a basic threat assessment for themselves or their children? I'm not even talking about violence, just the extra competition with ethnic groups who favour each other in the job market. This has directly affected me on multiple occasions. Not bad people, just an ethnic solidarity that belongs in a different continent but is now within our borders. Foreigners getting jobs now out of my reach.
I am baffled as to what is going through their minds. Can they really not be concerned about the unrest that follows massive influxes of alien people? Do they think our future will be peaceful as rival groups take more political power?
The most revealing thing about the Old Guard isn’t what they say, but what they can’t say. These so-called centre-right types are muzzled by intellectual respectability, middle-class squeamishness, and their own financial ties to the mass importation of the Third World. They're not conserving anything, just applying a genteel gloss to national decline.
Excellent essay, as always Morgoth. And timely.
We have reached, what I would call, ' a Cromwellian Moment.' That is, when a man's beliefs in his country and his place in that country have been shattered.
When a man realizes that his government has betrayed him. (Expressed well in the 1970 film Cromwell):
'Gentlemen, an immovable Parliament is more obnoxious than an immovable king! You are drunkards, tricksters, villains, whoremasters, godless, self-seeking, ambitious tricksters. You are no more capable of conducting the affairs of this nation than you are of running a brothel!'
When a man finds himself in a world he no longer recognizes as his own. When he realizes that he is being pushed out of his own place. England (and the collective West) are now in this moment. This is all or nothing. This the moment when you no longer fear the government or care what anyone else thinks. You realize that you are now fighting for your physical survival (and the physical survival of your people and world).
'In the name of God! What are we all? Men? Cowering and quivering like downtrodden serfs. The king is not England, and England is not the king! It is not the survival of the king that is at issue here. It is the survival of England. And this king, by his dishonesties, by his treasons, and by his secret treaties with foreign powers, has shown himself to be ill-fitted to govern this great nation!'
Add to 'the King' (or replace with Prime Minister' or 'President'--depending on the Western country) the politcal classes, the mainstream churches, and the business elites, and here we are today.
And though the numbers may be against us in many ways, I would like to add one more bit of dialog from the excellent Cromwell film:
'Was not Gideon outnumbered by the Amalekites? It is not numbers that count, but speed and surprise. Let no man move, except upon the word of his commander! Though we be outnumbered, we shall win this battle! I promise you! So now put your faith in God and keep your powder dry.'
What I now see in Western countries is an emerging third world that I never asked for, voted for, or consented to.
This is our Cromwellian Moment. I thank God that most of us now realize it.
Excellent. But I would include our current monarch.
He compares today's situation to the Norman conquest, a military invasion of Britain. Presumably if Tombs had been present in the 11th century he would be advocating for a policy of cultural integration as the troops stormed over the countryside.
Great analysis.
Thanks for everything you do Morgoth.
Hope people will continue to support your work and subscribe to your Substack.
Cheers.
If these fantastical notions were remotely true, children and grandchildren of migrants would be the more assimilated, law-abiding ones. In fact, it is quite the opposite, as has been shown statistically in Scandinavia. Despite the professed quasi-religious convictions, mass migration advocates (not the deliberately malicious, anti-white ones) know full well they have wrought tremendous and irreversible destruction. To admit error, though, is to sin. This may be a specie of social conformity, but it is especially cowardly and intellectually dishonest one. These types also see the cultural genocide and brags about ethnic replacement, and knowing full well it came about in part due to their hand, they say nothing. Even outright traitors exhibit more bravery. Disgusting lot.
If Tombs didn’t purport to be a conservative he wouldn’t be given the time of day.
It’s not as if the younger generation are kids either, they are well read adults.
These bumbling old cunts need fucking off out of it as a matter of urgency. We don’t have time for this utter dog shit.
Those last two sentences sum it up perfectly. Some enterprising fellow should print them on t-shirts for the next conservative conference. 😎
I remember coming across Stefan Molyneux in 2014, and via YouTube recommendations then The Golden One, Woes, Sargon (who I never took to, the smugness put me off), Ed Dutton, Styxhexenhammer (I thought he was interesting back in 2016/7), Paul Joseph Watson, etc. Previously I only knew sad-faced men in tweed, Scruton, Theodore Dalrymple etc. The sheer energy of Molyneux was something different, I felt this was something new, that the Right wasn't just weary old men bemoaning litter & swearing, or Combat 18 types, but there was suddenly this cadre of young and youngish men, fiery but eloquent, funny, skilled at presentation, theatrical, witty, charismatic, mostly very likeable. Some might be weird or gay or smallhatted or have large blindspots but the existence of even oddballs like Fuentes, BAP etc stirs things up, someone like Thomas777 is a walking rebuke to normie conservatism, I mean the fact that he exists is itself kind of amazing and inspiring. Morgoth himself is another, the incongruous blend of a strong Geordie accent, the worldview of a working class guy born in the 70s, but he happens to read Spengler and writes like an angel: there's tremendous new energy here, and energy attracts energy, and compels attention. The sad-faced old men in tweed can only harrumph and mutter in chagrin.
They are increasingly looking like establishment furniture. What purpose do they now serve?
they can serve as a “missing link” in our evolution, a kind of early hominid that briefly thrived before it was wiped out by a superior version
They are the acceptable right. Those who seek approval from their enemies who hate them.
It's an ordinary human instinct, to seek agreement, common ground. I myself want to avoid conflict, it's just that I've learnt there's no point conceding an inch to the progs, so I harden my heart and wish them ill. The older generation are/were too civilised, too much from the older world.
Perhaps. Alas real life is intruding now. They cannot hide what their policies have brought us to.
Excellent piece as always Morgoth. I think downstream of all this playing out, is the interpretation by the populace, which we have mentioned many a time can only end in violence. A blood meridian in the UK. I am hopeful that the newer generation are able to push back so vehemently against this “establishment”, which has more than passed its sell by date. We are entering choppy waters in the next 5 years, after which the landscape and institutions will look completely different. It may take some battles and hard decisions to get there, and we must go through some difficult times, but we will come out the other side bruised, but better for it. We’ve kicked the can down the road too far, now is a reckoning. I really hope we don’t have some form of civil war, and smarter heads prevail. This is encouraging.
Our Based Zoomers are finally active.
You had almost one million immigrants into the UK between 2024 and 2025
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9dqqj0v1ndo
I cannot believe those people have been vetted.
"Beyond English" is class. Imagining the news: '892 Impossible Garys crossed the channel in small boats yesterday...'
I'd be interested in your take on the term ''Yookay'' and what it means.
I've been thinking about it for a while actually. Perhaps I write a short article.
“a vegi-burger incarnation of the English… akin to Quorn or Uncle Bill’s Franken sausages made out of 3-D printed slurry” you have a way with words sir!