It's a difficult issue because it feels hard to get worked up about, given the incredibly miserable state of Britain and the plethora of existential issues we're facing. Of course, that's part of the regime's gambit: 'Digital ID' sounds rather innocuous.
That said, much like the fears of a Central Bank Digital Currency, our greatest ally here lies not with various movements of political opposition, but rather the sheer incompetence of government. Blair-enjoyers like to point out how he could authoritatively wield power while in charge. This much is true. Blair-enjoyers tend not to go on to look at the success rate of the schemes he was able to power through. Anyone remember the NHS database? Indeed, did any of his technocratic, 'tech will solve this' pipe dreams actually work? I can't think of a one, but I'm happy to stand corrected.
I am without doubt that Blair -- or, more accurately, the technocrats of whom he's emblematic -- do indeed want Digital ID, and do indeed want it for the purposes of state coercion. I am similarly without doubt that they want CBDCs for the same ends. I doubt, however, that they can achieve either. We look to the future of the West and see China without the homogeneity, but China is actually good at executing technical visions. China isn't a fox regime; it's an odd fox-lion hybrid. Yes, you'll be controlled by technological means, but at the end of the day if you press too hard they'll gladly run over your protest group with a column of tanks.
To implement schemes like Digital ID, you need both the ingenuity to make it happen well, but also the ability to compel people with force to create and adopt it in the way the state actually wants. In China's odd fox-lion hybrid, you're allowed to be a rich industrialist so long as you don't stray too far from the party's wishes. In ours, that effect is significantly more dilute, and the oligarchs have considerably more control. Last I heard, Western governments had come to the (for them) sad realisation that they can't actually implement CDBCs with their technically incompetent masses of underpaid, imported software engineers and their hodgepodge patchwork of incompetent outsourcing companies. Instead, they'd started talking to market-leading private blockchain companies to get them to do it for them.
The issue with that approach compared to China is that the CEOs of such companies are nominally out for themselves. The legitimising principle of Western liberal regimes makes it very difficult to say "We're going to dispossess this CEO of his company because he won't implement anti-liberal systems of control on our behalf". Accordingly, to whatever degree these private-public partnerships result in any form of implementation of the regime's plan, it's distorted by oligarchic interests throughout the process, until what you're left with is a semi-functional slop that costs 10x the list price. How's that PFI initiative for the NHS working out, Blair-enjoyers?
So where I end up landing on this is that I find it hard to get too exercised about something that I can't actually see our regime managing to pull off. I'm fully aware, though, that I may come to regret that lackadaisical view.
Yes. My fear is that the nuts and bolts will be outsourced to Elon Musk/Peter Thiel types who're far more competent than a diversity hire dog's body in the UK Government.
I also don't think it will do anything except increase tensions and instability. The streets will still be violent, the alienation compounded. You won't get that crispness you see in China, it will just be miserable.
Yeah, I fully agree. I do think, though, that the likely culprits here (Peter Thiel, Larry Ellison, less so Musk) have their own aims that will frustrate this process. I've never seen a public-private partnership actually work in the West. I've seen many attempts at making it work, but never any instances of it being made to do anything other than leech money off the public purse in exchange for subpar returns.
I honestly think our 'liberal' and 'capitalist' backgrounds as Western states makes these projects doomed to this sort of outcome. In China, you get to be a rich businessman because that's useful to the state, and no bones are made about that. Here, you nominally get to be a rich businessman because that's your inherent, liberal right, and the state must make itself useful to you. We know this is a lie, obviously, but it's a lie that has to look true to the average member of the public. Accordingly, the state simply doesn't have the level of control over its private 'partners' that it has in China, and its private 'partners' will in turn be figuring out how to maximise their end of any deal with the state.
Mr. Morgoth, of all the people in the world, you are the very last one to take an L on digital IDs. Please accept a golden W for your prescience and for having banged the drum for years like that Norf FC fan from the meme.
One thing that does somewhat surprise me about this initiative in the United Kingdom is that it appears fully unsynchronized with either the United States or the EU. As could be seen during the coof, all this wicked stuff is much more easily implemented when the same thing is done in many countries (and the impression is given that it is done in _every_ country) at the same time. Perhaps something as trivial as being very inconvenient for tourists to the United Kingdom etc. may be its undoing. I feel that they made their move prematurely, but what do I know.
I think it will come to Europe and the USA. It's the same oligarchs on the back end of it. You could see America introduce it to combat left-wing violence, for example.
I agree that it will be tried in Europe at least as well. But the Lack of a media groundwork and other preparations there will mean that it will lag behind by at least 1 to 2 years, which may already be too much.
I'm also pleasantly surprised at the public reaction. The problem with the bank robber's tactic is that we can all see him coming and know exactly what he is doing. They can ID my arse! Thanks for the old posts.
Your Witan talk was brilliant, first time hearing it. A fitting and ironic topic really for your first public engagement considering what happened after and now the UKSSR Digital ID announcement.
Thanks for gathering these together in one place. Your takes always manage to cut right through to the crux of the issue and it’s incredibly helpful for discussing these topics with friends and family. Having a solid argument helps to mitigate seeming like a irredeemable bigot to them (sometimes anyway)
Cheers Morgoth mate.
Usually just comment on Twitter like but thought I’d show some love here for once too.
If this is mandated then it's over , any resistance will become impossible , also as it advances things like all non native people can be digitally put first by having green QR codes on their phones , native whites a red qR code with severe restrictions on travel , ability to buy certain food , religious practices ect.. if there isn't total non compliance to this we are cooked
They could mandate it to acquire the incoming food rations, all they need to do is start an official ground war v Russia (ww3) and then they can use wartime powers to force everything they need through . The rate of change we are about to experience will be staggering in the west ..
Mass refusal/resistance required.. I wrote about this back in June and again at the start of the month, a rare occasion where I hate being right.
If this is the hill Starmer is prepared to die on, this will finish him. Although it won't be imminent, it will be before 2029.
Like I say, I feel as if Starmer is meant to play this role.
He has been groomed for the job for years, most definitely.
It's a difficult issue because it feels hard to get worked up about, given the incredibly miserable state of Britain and the plethora of existential issues we're facing. Of course, that's part of the regime's gambit: 'Digital ID' sounds rather innocuous.
That said, much like the fears of a Central Bank Digital Currency, our greatest ally here lies not with various movements of political opposition, but rather the sheer incompetence of government. Blair-enjoyers like to point out how he could authoritatively wield power while in charge. This much is true. Blair-enjoyers tend not to go on to look at the success rate of the schemes he was able to power through. Anyone remember the NHS database? Indeed, did any of his technocratic, 'tech will solve this' pipe dreams actually work? I can't think of a one, but I'm happy to stand corrected.
I am without doubt that Blair -- or, more accurately, the technocrats of whom he's emblematic -- do indeed want Digital ID, and do indeed want it for the purposes of state coercion. I am similarly without doubt that they want CBDCs for the same ends. I doubt, however, that they can achieve either. We look to the future of the West and see China without the homogeneity, but China is actually good at executing technical visions. China isn't a fox regime; it's an odd fox-lion hybrid. Yes, you'll be controlled by technological means, but at the end of the day if you press too hard they'll gladly run over your protest group with a column of tanks.
To implement schemes like Digital ID, you need both the ingenuity to make it happen well, but also the ability to compel people with force to create and adopt it in the way the state actually wants. In China's odd fox-lion hybrid, you're allowed to be a rich industrialist so long as you don't stray too far from the party's wishes. In ours, that effect is significantly more dilute, and the oligarchs have considerably more control. Last I heard, Western governments had come to the (for them) sad realisation that they can't actually implement CDBCs with their technically incompetent masses of underpaid, imported software engineers and their hodgepodge patchwork of incompetent outsourcing companies. Instead, they'd started talking to market-leading private blockchain companies to get them to do it for them.
The issue with that approach compared to China is that the CEOs of such companies are nominally out for themselves. The legitimising principle of Western liberal regimes makes it very difficult to say "We're going to dispossess this CEO of his company because he won't implement anti-liberal systems of control on our behalf". Accordingly, to whatever degree these private-public partnerships result in any form of implementation of the regime's plan, it's distorted by oligarchic interests throughout the process, until what you're left with is a semi-functional slop that costs 10x the list price. How's that PFI initiative for the NHS working out, Blair-enjoyers?
So where I end up landing on this is that I find it hard to get too exercised about something that I can't actually see our regime managing to pull off. I'm fully aware, though, that I may come to regret that lackadaisical view.
Yes. My fear is that the nuts and bolts will be outsourced to Elon Musk/Peter Thiel types who're far more competent than a diversity hire dog's body in the UK Government.
I also don't think it will do anything except increase tensions and instability. The streets will still be violent, the alienation compounded. You won't get that crispness you see in China, it will just be miserable.
Yeah, I fully agree. I do think, though, that the likely culprits here (Peter Thiel, Larry Ellison, less so Musk) have their own aims that will frustrate this process. I've never seen a public-private partnership actually work in the West. I've seen many attempts at making it work, but never any instances of it being made to do anything other than leech money off the public purse in exchange for subpar returns.
I honestly think our 'liberal' and 'capitalist' backgrounds as Western states makes these projects doomed to this sort of outcome. In China, you get to be a rich businessman because that's useful to the state, and no bones are made about that. Here, you nominally get to be a rich businessman because that's your inherent, liberal right, and the state must make itself useful to you. We know this is a lie, obviously, but it's a lie that has to look true to the average member of the public. Accordingly, the state simply doesn't have the level of control over its private 'partners' that it has in China, and its private 'partners' will in turn be figuring out how to maximise their end of any deal with the state.
I suppose time will tell how this plays out.
Yes we are about to become a true vassal with direct technocratic control.. a colony of the jewSa
Mr. Morgoth, of all the people in the world, you are the very last one to take an L on digital IDs. Please accept a golden W for your prescience and for having banged the drum for years like that Norf FC fan from the meme.
One thing that does somewhat surprise me about this initiative in the United Kingdom is that it appears fully unsynchronized with either the United States or the EU. As could be seen during the coof, all this wicked stuff is much more easily implemented when the same thing is done in many countries (and the impression is given that it is done in _every_ country) at the same time. Perhaps something as trivial as being very inconvenient for tourists to the United Kingdom etc. may be its undoing. I feel that they made their move prematurely, but what do I know.
I think it will come to Europe and the USA. It's the same oligarchs on the back end of it. You could see America introduce it to combat left-wing violence, for example.
I agree that it will be tried in Europe at least as well. But the Lack of a media groundwork and other preparations there will mean that it will lag behind by at least 1 to 2 years, which may already be too much.
For those who are interested: https://open.substack.com/pub/thecounterrevolution/p/junes-prediction-septembers-policy?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=ry9e1
They really did do the asylum seeker gambit didn't they haha
Oh aye, how else do you co-opt the contained right? A union flag or cross of saint George will be the cherry on top.
Ditch your smartphone.
I'm also pleasantly surprised at the public reaction. The problem with the bank robber's tactic is that we can all see him coming and know exactly what he is doing. They can ID my arse! Thanks for the old posts.
It won't work, the NHS can't reliably send itself an email
Your Witan talk was brilliant, first time hearing it. A fitting and ironic topic really for your first public engagement considering what happened after and now the UKSSR Digital ID announcement.
Thanks for gathering these together in one place. Your takes always manage to cut right through to the crux of the issue and it’s incredibly helpful for discussing these topics with friends and family. Having a solid argument helps to mitigate seeming like a irredeemable bigot to them (sometimes anyway)
Cheers Morgoth mate.
Usually just comment on Twitter like but thought I’d show some love here for once too.
If this is mandated then it's over , any resistance will become impossible , also as it advances things like all non native people can be digitally put first by having green QR codes on their phones , native whites a red qR code with severe restrictions on travel , ability to buy certain food , religious practices ect.. if there isn't total non compliance to this we are cooked
They could mandate it to acquire the incoming food rations, all they need to do is start an official ground war v Russia (ww3) and then they can use wartime powers to force everything they need through . The rate of change we are about to experience will be staggering in the west ..