Hm, perhaps. I can't help but feel that whoever happened to be in power during this term of office was going to face much of the same ill-placed contempt from the Americans.
Trump is the free speech guy, the anti-illegals guy, the low tax pro-business guy who cuts government debt and balances the books. Sure, he deports people for criticising Israel, uses decade-old figures for the numbers of illegals in the US, and the mainline federal tax rate hasn't really changed since Reagan, but this is his shtick and the part he is to play in front of the cameras. It's an unfortunate truth for whoever ended up happening to currently be 'running' Britain that these ostensible values of the Trump regime and the degrees of freedom left to the British government at this point are fundamentally at odds.
Perhaps Reform would see better treatment from a Trump regime, but would that be the case if Reform had to enact all the same policies as Labour in the relevant culture war areas? Namely, if Reform were in power last year during the riots, does anyone seriously believe they'd have handled e.g. the case of Lucy Connolly significantly differently? Had they handled her case much the same way, would the Trump admin have treated them any differently to Labour for doing so?
The problems in the UK are systemic at this point, not party political. The fact is that the past century (at least) of British policy has been an unmitigated disaster and now we're trapped in the fumes. Any government that takes power is going to have to deal with the agitation between the natives and the legions of foreigners that historical governments have imported, and no government that actually rules could do anything other than stamp down hard on natives when they start showing signs of racial consciousness. This is evil, sure, and won't draw kind looks from a US administration that's LARPing as a nativist party, but it's also simply the obvious calculus of power: irrespective of what parties say out of power, they're obliged by events to crack down on anything that looks like the first signs of a brewing rebellion.
I guess the point I'm meandering towards here is that I think the Trump admin's treatment of the Labour party is really just a function of where we are as a country and what the Trump admin is LARPing as. I think we'd be in a similar position with any party in power, given the same set of events on the ground, but I could be being naive.
I tend to agree in the sense that we've passed beyond the ability of PR spin wizards to trick the population because what they see in the real world doesn't change just because the messaging does.
Yet, in the case of Connolly, for example, Starmer explicitly demanded that those involved with or promoting the unrest should be punished more harshly. That would not have happened under another party, even a Tory one, I suspect.
I guess this is where we disagree, but there's no real way of proving this point one way or the other. My sense is that the level of punishment doled out to the likes of Lucy Connolly may have been a little harsher or a little gentler depending on the imagistic constraints of whoever is in charge, but it'd even out to a similar conclusion either way i.e. she and those associated with the riots would have to be punished pour encourager les autres.
The regime has really, really screwed up by welcoming in hordes of hostile foreigners over the past 80-odd years. Consequently, the regime has to prevent the rising racial consciousness amongst the natives else that brew will spill over into awkward questions like "How did things ever get this bad in Britain?" and "Who is responsible?" and "What punishment should they face?".
No regime in actual power, as opposed to those sniping from the sidelines, can accept this. Similarly, a Trump admin which presents itself to its base as nativist (while it does a series of decidedly non-nativist things) can only withhold from commenting to the point it starts to lay bare their own false legitimacy.
> Starmer explicitly demanded that those involved with or promoting the unrest should be punished more harshly. That would not have happened under another party, even a Tory one, I suspect.
My view is that the regime, regardless of which party is in power, would have to act much the same way. A better politician e.g. Blair would have messaged this all far more competently - no sudden pivots between giving then renouncing Powellite speeches etc - but the actions would be much the same. My contention is that if Farage were in power during the riots, he too would have imprisoned tweeters and the US would have reacted in much the same way.
Yes, but it's the messaging I'm talking about. The message Starmer sent was that people should be treated more harshly based on their politics. A Tory, for example, would have formed the message around letting the courts dispense justice. Knowing that the courts would treat them more harshly anyway.
Fair enough, I do agree the messaging would differ, with the Tories at least if not Farage. Maybe that'd be enough to give the Trump admin cover for not getting involved.
The main 'party political' element of the Lucy Connolly case was that, for a charge of 'stirring up racial hatred' to proceed , it has to be approved by a cabinet minister, the Attorney General, Lord Hermer. Though if you look at some of the recent Tory AGs , Dominic Grieve, Victoria Prentis Et al, it may well have turned out the same.
However, the British economy is hurtling towards a very real collapse. Rolling blackouts and water shortages are on the horizon. The high street is imploding under lawlessness and the NHS is highly disfunctional, if not near imploding. No amount of LARPing can convince anyone that everything is ok in the Yoo-Kay. People will rebel.
What we are seeing in England now is but a tremor.
Millions of people are about to lose life support.
State dysfunction will lead to open warfare as people scramble for resources--just to survive.
Yup, agreed. This is what I mean re the problems being systemic. It's not obvious what any given party would do differently given the state of the nation. Frankly the differences between all the choices on offer amount to differences over which way we should shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic as it sinks.
Rather depressingly, I've long been of the view that there is no political solution and all these issues will eventually be solved through the great collapse of the state. When we finally run out the fiat system we won't be able to live on tomorrow's money any longer and the giant train of state handouts will grind to a halt. At that point legions of foreigners will simply leave and the British will be forced to go through a much needed toughening up and de-feminisation.
I guess we'll see, because I don't see the UK avoiding collapse at this point. India and Pakistan aren't _that_ bad, they just don't give you free stuff for literally no reason out of a sense of suicial empathy. I suspect that the choice to remain in a poor country surrounded by an ethnic majority that hate you with a poorly funded state security apparatus is a worse choice than being in your poor, but at least hospitable homeland.
There will be plenty happy to use force I guess once the state is bankrupt and unable to pay to enforce the law. That alone would be better for many than say back in Afghanistan or Somalia where you have to contend with similar men of violence who also want the same resources. A state of anarchy/mob gang rule would be easier than the same “back home”
Yes, true, and I suspect most of the foreign criminal gangs would remain for precisely that reason. That said though, a low state security apparatus environment also means that these same gangsters suddenly become eligible for street justice. I do actually think that on balance the police do more to protect criminals than to deter them; if the state were to collapse tomorrow, how long do you reckon the 'grooming gangs' would survive on the streets of Britain?
From what I’ve read about them they are backed with violence and criminality. That whole community is a blend of mafia and clans - they have legal business that they administer with a low level of compliance with UK law, they are adept at extracting everything they can out of the welfare system and are more than happy to engage in black market tobacco and alcohol as well as heroin and other illegal drugs. They aren’t adverse to burning down houses with families in them and the fact that they have a whole parallel society and a ready bolt hole back in Pakistan means that they are almost untouchable. Add to that they basically are the Labour Party in some northern and midland towns. No you’d need PIRA level of ruthlessness and savagery to take them on. It’s quite the problem “we” have created for ourselves isn’t it?
I should add that to me at least the reason that the grooming gangs weren’t tackled in some of the cities where it happened was that the police were frightened of them - not just from a loosing your promotion or pension sense but frightened as in “we know where your family lives and where your kids go to school” sort of sense. They’d be happy to tar you as a blasphemer as well to ensure that you’d need to leave town. Let’s face it in this country you don’t get any protection from the state until it’s too late. Or you’re an ex-PM.
There is something else almost subterranean happening over here and it is hard to make sense of it. What passes as the American Right is dividing between, for convenience's sake, the Trump faction and the Musk faction, the former favoring Farage, the latter Lowe/someone like him. As you point out, the Trump prong is faux nativist, and the same applies to the Musk wing although it is less wed to the pretense of caring. The Musk faction is escaping notice as it starts to seek power at the local level and there is something disconcerting about it. This is mentioned sporadically in largely ignored alternative publications in mid-sized, prosperous cities like Austin and Nashville and Boise so the rest of the nation is blithely unaware as are, in fact, people in those towns.
Why specific figures in British politics matter at all to these factions is beyond me. It could be as simple as the Trump Administration assumes Farage will take power and Musk and Co. is not constrained by diplomatic concerns, but there seems to be something deeper playing out not much understandable as of yet. Trump's unhinged statements about Canada and Greenland earlier this year almost certainly were part of it. The focus on Britain definitely is. As a foreigner, what is happening in the UK often makes no sense to me, but that is increasingly the case also of my home country, which may make me paranoid.
Thanks for the US context; always good to get first-person accounts when it comes to the politics of other countries. Do you get the sense that the average US right-winger still buys the Trump shtick, or is his brand now our Reform brand: not great, but the best you're getting?
Welcome. Resignation that Trump is the best that is realistically available, is my take, with responsiveness only if his most egregious betrayals incite mass chimp outs. Mind you, that sad situation is the best one in my lifetime. It will be interesting to see how the Trump proposal for 600k(!) Chinese student visas plays out, and if and when that provokes enough reaction whether it is dropped. I don't know, honestly. It may be hard to stop because that could be a case where the Trump and Musk factions align. Much going on here is opaque.
I still can’t quite get over the Lucy Connolly case.
Especially when we regularly see child pornographers, sex pests and violent offenders walk free.
I know there were others, but to do that to a young mum who’d lost a child and was reacting to the mass murder of children is particularly evil.
Apparently her post was only seen by a few dozen family and friends before quickly being deleted and apologised for.
Yet in that time, someone had taken a screenshot and it was that which went viral, it was completely out of her hands by then.
So when the prosecution claimed her post had been seen by 300,000 people, that wasn’t her doing.
They deliberately charged her with something different to throat slit Ricky Jones. Basically because it had a lower burden of proof, likelihood not intent.
Then there’s the outrageous denial of bail (twice).
To put that in context, the Manchester Airport brothers, one of whom broke a police officer’s nose on camera, were granted bail.
Why would you deny bail to a non-violent childminder and mum over a single deleted social media post?
Facing at least a year on remand, a “guilty” or “not guilty” plea becomes irrelevant and the whole thing became an exercise in what she thought would get her home the fastest.
That’s not justice.
When her solicitor told her to plead guilty and be home by Christmas, they were probably telling the truth.
In normal circumstances she would’ve been eligible to go home on tag from November.
However, even during her year in jail they went out of their way to make it as unpleasant and punitive as possible.
Denying tag, visits, day leave and on one occasion even getting her roughed up by guards and thrown in segregation for a fortnight for nothing.
It seems likely they were trying to provoke a reaction, anything to generate negative press and keep her locked up longer.
Farage, a long-standing tool of the Establishment, is currently acting in the role as Kingmaker for our next Muslim Prime Minister in the form of Zia Yusef. What is not clear…is Farage compromised or is he acting as a result of Political Expediency? If it is Political Expediency, then the Establishment Deep State (under the influence of the Globalists) is currently his only route to power. The Trump Administration are probably aware of this and are offering an alternative option (albeit wedded to their Administration). The last thing the Trump Administration wants is the UK Economy collapsing followed by General Election and dealing w Prime Minister Zia Yusef and essentially (to quote JD Vance) the first Western Islamic Caliphate with direct access to Nuclear weapons.
Not directly, but through a Rishi Sunak situation. Farage gets in and 3 months later steps down (just like he always does). Reform now have Majority Government and Yusef is MP + Chair of Reform. That is why Rupert Lowe had to go at all costs...they could not risk him running. Just like in Scotland + Wales the Muslim Trojan Horse will slip straight in.
I agree! I just don't think people truly understand the utter contempt the current Political Class have for the intelligence of the General Public. They think we are utter idiots..that is what years of no accountability breeds in the Elite Class. History shows time and again before some traumatic Political Revolution this is the exact state a civilization come to
And I see the political classes being overtaken by events and losing control. At this point, I don't know what will be worse: the state having too much power or no power at all.
These people are mortal men. They can't keep the supply chains going, the electricity flowing, and food on the shelves if they lack the resources to do it.
With these types of shenanigans, I'm always reminded of the Soviet defector, Yuri Bezmenov's idea of "moral Judo." (Whatever you think of his provenance - and there are some doubts - the concept itself is really valid and useful, I think.)
The way subversion by the usual suspects tends to work is that they take something that's being aired in the general/national/intellectual conversation, and may already have considerable support in terms of numbers, and then exaggerate it to the point of social imbalance, while putting on it a spin that's helpful to them.
In this case, as you point out, there are plenty of legitimate grievances, but they're being twisted into something that will (among other things) help one side of the Israel/Palestine conflict. (Trump's election itself could be seen as something in the same vein.)
Seeing things this way cautions one not to reject the baby with the bathwater, because very often trends that have become corrupted by this influence seem bad, but are not necessarily bad in and of themselves - or rather, the versions of those trends that wanted to be born, but were smothered by a certain cuckoo, might not necessarily have been bad in and of themselves.
One important example would be liberal individualism itself; to us now, it seems like poison, but to some degree individualism has always been a component of Britishness, and certainly Englishness. However, the hyper-individualism that became the basis of capitalism, and is still the basis of both political "sides," was perhaps a funhouse mirror version of that individualism that's natural to us, with a particular spin, etc.
That said the NeoCons/ many former Trotskyites, have over the decades taken out most of Israels enemies and flooded the West with millions of "refugees"
Israel is in a perilous state. Iran donkey punched the Israelis hard this summer and Israel's economy is in shambles. The Israelis have lost the Left and half of the political right in America. The youth has turned against them across the West. Gaza is not what I would call an Israeli victory.
If the Israelis are playing 4D chess, they are losing.
This is a strange one because BlackRock the biggest american corporation seems to have Starmer and his imbecile deputy under control. What they don't have under control though is the pakistani led and burgeoning islamic contingent within our politics. They're facing the possibility of a nuclear armed yookay on the edge of Europe led by dumbest most venal government in western history. When their deputy president visits the Cotswolds he gets refused entry such is the level of politicisation in certain businesses. If I were running that pub I'd have invited him and his whole entourage in and before serving desert I'd have made my opinions about the loss of free speech in this country heard by everyone before opening up a debate on the so called holocaust and Jewish influence on western politics and exporting our enemies to somewhere like the Falklands. Toby young would never entertain this idea of course because he doesn't actually believe in free speech.
If humping the Israeli flag to reverse mass migration is the price, then I say it's worth it. Zionism has a shelf life, while altering demographics is permanent
I watched that Sonia Poulton the other day interviewing some woman who said Lucy Connely going to prison was all a psyop. Sounds crazy of course.
The thing is the lassie claimed that the Connelys have often been in the press & that Lucys twitter account appeared to be "stage-managed". Claimed she posted circa 100 tweets a day (whilst also finding time to run a house & child-minding business). Said the husband was one of the 1st virus cases that made a big story in the press at the time and a couple of other things.
Now I'm not saying I believed this as I don't really have the facility to check what was said but I do know that her arrest (& Peter Lynches - was that his name?) did scare people from protesting and making online remarks at a time when things were getting very hot.
One thing I know without being too loony is that a lot of "stories" in the media ARE staged to influence the public so this whole "going off to see Trump" thing makes me a wee bit more suspicious. Just putting it out there, just an idea.
I saw that same video, came to the same conclusion. The Miri woman thinks everything is an op. I looked up her blog and she thought that the Liverpool FC parade incident where that guy ran people over was an op in order to try and ban public ownership of cars. Not to say there weren't strange things about that incident, but her line is too far fetched for me.
Got to remember that there were plenty of cases last year like Connolly that didn't get so much press. There was a guy called Tyler Kay who posted the same words as her in an act of 'solidarity', also pleaded guilty and got 3 years. Longer sentence than Lucy so I assume he is still inside. So even if the Lucy Connolly thing was entirely fake, there's enough other cases of the government making insane arrests and prosecutions over speech.
Wow. 3 years for a tweet. But again this confuses me as I hear the media repeating that Lucy went away because there's more room in woman's prison. So some bloke got even worse but most people never heard. It's all very odd. We've reached a stage where it's almost impossible to know what is fact & what is propaganda. 🤪
Thanks for that mate. It was interesting because, to be honest, so often we're told that people like that (looks like a shady gypo to me) get away with things. Well he didn't. You've actually given me a little faith in the system today. ☺️
I never said thank you for introducing me to Warhammer all those years ago...the books have provided hours and hours of escape from the utter lunacy of daily life. Thank you Morgoth!
Good observations. My answer to the title would be probably not. Farage is Trump's mate from over here, that's why he would accompany Lucy Connolly. Trump might prefer Farage to be our PM, but criticism of Starmer's government alone will not make that happen. His administration have been critical of other European countries as well, I doubt they want all their governments overthrown. You mention the economic situation at the end, I think that is going to overshadow everything else very soon. Normally I wouldn't pay attention to the budget, but the upcoming one this Autumn is going to be something.
I think you're correct. Furthermore, Tommy and his handlers want to burn this country to the ground and so do the 'neocon' mob like GB News and the Telegraph. I believe the Gaza Genocide and famine is partly aimed at inciting terrorism in western Europe and America that can then be used to incite anti Islam pogroms leading to more laws against free speech or even a military takeover that will end with the likes of us put against the wall. Seen this coming for years. There's no limit to 'neocon' bloodlust and hate.
This is good stuff. For all of us across the entirety of the homelands of European man, this kind of thinking/speculation is only the preliminary exercise. All of us need to take the next step which is. Given this may be the case and this could lead to outcomes A-F:
What can I be doing now to improve my personal lot that has no external dependencies?
What can I do to get into a stronger position given the set of potential outcomes. Each one presents some opportunity/opening for me. Am I ready and do I have the resolve to act to capitalize?
Then, ask and answer the same questions in context of the social fabric of a group or groups that you are weaving.
That is what winners do. We can win if and only if that is how we think and act from here on out.
This post is somewhat speculative and more hashing out some thoughts I've been having of late. I could be wrong, it is a gut feeling.
Hm, perhaps. I can't help but feel that whoever happened to be in power during this term of office was going to face much of the same ill-placed contempt from the Americans.
Trump is the free speech guy, the anti-illegals guy, the low tax pro-business guy who cuts government debt and balances the books. Sure, he deports people for criticising Israel, uses decade-old figures for the numbers of illegals in the US, and the mainline federal tax rate hasn't really changed since Reagan, but this is his shtick and the part he is to play in front of the cameras. It's an unfortunate truth for whoever ended up happening to currently be 'running' Britain that these ostensible values of the Trump regime and the degrees of freedom left to the British government at this point are fundamentally at odds.
Perhaps Reform would see better treatment from a Trump regime, but would that be the case if Reform had to enact all the same policies as Labour in the relevant culture war areas? Namely, if Reform were in power last year during the riots, does anyone seriously believe they'd have handled e.g. the case of Lucy Connolly significantly differently? Had they handled her case much the same way, would the Trump admin have treated them any differently to Labour for doing so?
The problems in the UK are systemic at this point, not party political. The fact is that the past century (at least) of British policy has been an unmitigated disaster and now we're trapped in the fumes. Any government that takes power is going to have to deal with the agitation between the natives and the legions of foreigners that historical governments have imported, and no government that actually rules could do anything other than stamp down hard on natives when they start showing signs of racial consciousness. This is evil, sure, and won't draw kind looks from a US administration that's LARPing as a nativist party, but it's also simply the obvious calculus of power: irrespective of what parties say out of power, they're obliged by events to crack down on anything that looks like the first signs of a brewing rebellion.
I guess the point I'm meandering towards here is that I think the Trump admin's treatment of the Labour party is really just a function of where we are as a country and what the Trump admin is LARPing as. I think we'd be in a similar position with any party in power, given the same set of events on the ground, but I could be being naive.
I tend to agree in the sense that we've passed beyond the ability of PR spin wizards to trick the population because what they see in the real world doesn't change just because the messaging does.
Yet, in the case of Connolly, for example, Starmer explicitly demanded that those involved with or promoting the unrest should be punished more harshly. That would not have happened under another party, even a Tory one, I suspect.
I guess this is where we disagree, but there's no real way of proving this point one way or the other. My sense is that the level of punishment doled out to the likes of Lucy Connolly may have been a little harsher or a little gentler depending on the imagistic constraints of whoever is in charge, but it'd even out to a similar conclusion either way i.e. she and those associated with the riots would have to be punished pour encourager les autres.
The regime has really, really screwed up by welcoming in hordes of hostile foreigners over the past 80-odd years. Consequently, the regime has to prevent the rising racial consciousness amongst the natives else that brew will spill over into awkward questions like "How did things ever get this bad in Britain?" and "Who is responsible?" and "What punishment should they face?".
No regime in actual power, as opposed to those sniping from the sidelines, can accept this. Similarly, a Trump admin which presents itself to its base as nativist (while it does a series of decidedly non-nativist things) can only withhold from commenting to the point it starts to lay bare their own false legitimacy.
I don't see how we disagree, except that Starmer was stupid enough to signal his utter contempt for the natives.
We disagree on this point:
> Starmer explicitly demanded that those involved with or promoting the unrest should be punished more harshly. That would not have happened under another party, even a Tory one, I suspect.
My view is that the regime, regardless of which party is in power, would have to act much the same way. A better politician e.g. Blair would have messaged this all far more competently - no sudden pivots between giving then renouncing Powellite speeches etc - but the actions would be much the same. My contention is that if Farage were in power during the riots, he too would have imprisoned tweeters and the US would have reacted in much the same way.
Yes, but it's the messaging I'm talking about. The message Starmer sent was that people should be treated more harshly based on their politics. A Tory, for example, would have formed the message around letting the courts dispense justice. Knowing that the courts would treat them more harshly anyway.
Fair enough, I do agree the messaging would differ, with the Tories at least if not Farage. Maybe that'd be enough to give the Trump admin cover for not getting involved.
The main 'party political' element of the Lucy Connolly case was that, for a charge of 'stirring up racial hatred' to proceed , it has to be approved by a cabinet minister, the Attorney General, Lord Hermer. Though if you look at some of the recent Tory AGs , Dominic Grieve, Victoria Prentis Et al, it may well have turned out the same.
However, the British economy is hurtling towards a very real collapse. Rolling blackouts and water shortages are on the horizon. The high street is imploding under lawlessness and the NHS is highly disfunctional, if not near imploding. No amount of LARPing can convince anyone that everything is ok in the Yoo-Kay. People will rebel.
What we are seeing in England now is but a tremor.
Millions of people are about to lose life support.
State dysfunction will lead to open warfare as people scramble for resources--just to survive.
Yup, agreed. This is what I mean re the problems being systemic. It's not obvious what any given party would do differently given the state of the nation. Frankly the differences between all the choices on offer amount to differences over which way we should shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic as it sinks.
Rather depressingly, I've long been of the view that there is no political solution and all these issues will eventually be solved through the great collapse of the state. When we finally run out the fiat system we won't be able to live on tomorrow's money any longer and the giant train of state handouts will grind to a halt. At that point legions of foreigners will simply leave and the British will be forced to go through a much needed toughening up and de-feminisation.
I doubt the foreigners will leave. A bankrupt, starving, and unelectrified UK is still better than where these people came from....
I guess we'll see, because I don't see the UK avoiding collapse at this point. India and Pakistan aren't _that_ bad, they just don't give you free stuff for literally no reason out of a sense of suicial empathy. I suspect that the choice to remain in a poor country surrounded by an ethnic majority that hate you with a poorly funded state security apparatus is a worse choice than being in your poor, but at least hospitable homeland.
Time shall tell though.
I hope they leave of their own volition; however, I doubt they will because the migrants lack empathy, common decency, and common sense.
There will be plenty happy to use force I guess once the state is bankrupt and unable to pay to enforce the law. That alone would be better for many than say back in Afghanistan or Somalia where you have to contend with similar men of violence who also want the same resources. A state of anarchy/mob gang rule would be easier than the same “back home”
Yes, true, and I suspect most of the foreign criminal gangs would remain for precisely that reason. That said though, a low state security apparatus environment also means that these same gangsters suddenly become eligible for street justice. I do actually think that on balance the police do more to protect criminals than to deter them; if the state were to collapse tomorrow, how long do you reckon the 'grooming gangs' would survive on the streets of Britain?
From what I’ve read about them they are backed with violence and criminality. That whole community is a blend of mafia and clans - they have legal business that they administer with a low level of compliance with UK law, they are adept at extracting everything they can out of the welfare system and are more than happy to engage in black market tobacco and alcohol as well as heroin and other illegal drugs. They aren’t adverse to burning down houses with families in them and the fact that they have a whole parallel society and a ready bolt hole back in Pakistan means that they are almost untouchable. Add to that they basically are the Labour Party in some northern and midland towns. No you’d need PIRA level of ruthlessness and savagery to take them on. It’s quite the problem “we” have created for ourselves isn’t it?
I should add that to me at least the reason that the grooming gangs weren’t tackled in some of the cities where it happened was that the police were frightened of them - not just from a loosing your promotion or pension sense but frightened as in “we know where your family lives and where your kids go to school” sort of sense. They’d be happy to tar you as a blasphemer as well to ensure that you’d need to leave town. Let’s face it in this country you don’t get any protection from the state until it’s too late. Or you’re an ex-PM.
There is something else almost subterranean happening over here and it is hard to make sense of it. What passes as the American Right is dividing between, for convenience's sake, the Trump faction and the Musk faction, the former favoring Farage, the latter Lowe/someone like him. As you point out, the Trump prong is faux nativist, and the same applies to the Musk wing although it is less wed to the pretense of caring. The Musk faction is escaping notice as it starts to seek power at the local level and there is something disconcerting about it. This is mentioned sporadically in largely ignored alternative publications in mid-sized, prosperous cities like Austin and Nashville and Boise so the rest of the nation is blithely unaware as are, in fact, people in those towns.
Why specific figures in British politics matter at all to these factions is beyond me. It could be as simple as the Trump Administration assumes Farage will take power and Musk and Co. is not constrained by diplomatic concerns, but there seems to be something deeper playing out not much understandable as of yet. Trump's unhinged statements about Canada and Greenland earlier this year almost certainly were part of it. The focus on Britain definitely is. As a foreigner, what is happening in the UK often makes no sense to me, but that is increasingly the case also of my home country, which may make me paranoid.
Thanks for the US context; always good to get first-person accounts when it comes to the politics of other countries. Do you get the sense that the average US right-winger still buys the Trump shtick, or is his brand now our Reform brand: not great, but the best you're getting?
Welcome. Resignation that Trump is the best that is realistically available, is my take, with responsiveness only if his most egregious betrayals incite mass chimp outs. Mind you, that sad situation is the best one in my lifetime. It will be interesting to see how the Trump proposal for 600k(!) Chinese student visas plays out, and if and when that provokes enough reaction whether it is dropped. I don't know, honestly. It may be hard to stop because that could be a case where the Trump and Musk factions align. Much going on here is opaque.
I still can’t quite get over the Lucy Connolly case.
Especially when we regularly see child pornographers, sex pests and violent offenders walk free.
I know there were others, but to do that to a young mum who’d lost a child and was reacting to the mass murder of children is particularly evil.
Apparently her post was only seen by a few dozen family and friends before quickly being deleted and apologised for.
Yet in that time, someone had taken a screenshot and it was that which went viral, it was completely out of her hands by then.
So when the prosecution claimed her post had been seen by 300,000 people, that wasn’t her doing.
They deliberately charged her with something different to throat slit Ricky Jones. Basically because it had a lower burden of proof, likelihood not intent.
Then there’s the outrageous denial of bail (twice).
To put that in context, the Manchester Airport brothers, one of whom broke a police officer’s nose on camera, were granted bail.
Why would you deny bail to a non-violent childminder and mum over a single deleted social media post?
Facing at least a year on remand, a “guilty” or “not guilty” plea becomes irrelevant and the whole thing became an exercise in what she thought would get her home the fastest.
That’s not justice.
When her solicitor told her to plead guilty and be home by Christmas, they were probably telling the truth.
In normal circumstances she would’ve been eligible to go home on tag from November.
However, even during her year in jail they went out of their way to make it as unpleasant and punitive as possible.
Denying tag, visits, day leave and on one occasion even getting her roughed up by guards and thrown in segregation for a fortnight for nothing.
It seems likely they were trying to provoke a reaction, anything to generate negative press and keep her locked up longer.
Evil, just evil.
This is a woman who sent a tweet.
Farage, a long-standing tool of the Establishment, is currently acting in the role as Kingmaker for our next Muslim Prime Minister in the form of Zia Yusef. What is not clear…is Farage compromised or is he acting as a result of Political Expediency? If it is Political Expediency, then the Establishment Deep State (under the influence of the Globalists) is currently his only route to power. The Trump Administration are probably aware of this and are offering an alternative option (albeit wedded to their Administration). The last thing the Trump Administration wants is the UK Economy collapsing followed by General Election and dealing w Prime Minister Zia Yusef and essentially (to quote JD Vance) the first Western Islamic Caliphate with direct access to Nuclear weapons.
I don't see Yusef becoming prime minister to be honest.
Not directly, but through a Rishi Sunak situation. Farage gets in and 3 months later steps down (just like he always does). Reform now have Majority Government and Yusef is MP + Chair of Reform. That is why Rupert Lowe had to go at all costs...they could not risk him running. Just like in Scotland + Wales the Muslim Trojan Horse will slip straight in.
That's a terrifying but, yes, actually possible scenario.
If that happened, all hell would break loose.
I agree! I just don't think people truly understand the utter contempt the current Political Class have for the intelligence of the General Public. They think we are utter idiots..that is what years of no accountability breeds in the Elite Class. History shows time and again before some traumatic Political Revolution this is the exact state a civilization come to
And I see the political classes being overtaken by events and losing control. At this point, I don't know what will be worse: the state having too much power or no power at all.
These people are mortal men. They can't keep the supply chains going, the electricity flowing, and food on the shelves if they lack the resources to do it.
Prepare for collapse.
I agree: Farage can't be trusted--for whatever reason--he can't be trusted to follow through or even do anything close to what he says he will do.
With these types of shenanigans, I'm always reminded of the Soviet defector, Yuri Bezmenov's idea of "moral Judo." (Whatever you think of his provenance - and there are some doubts - the concept itself is really valid and useful, I think.)
The way subversion by the usual suspects tends to work is that they take something that's being aired in the general/national/intellectual conversation, and may already have considerable support in terms of numbers, and then exaggerate it to the point of social imbalance, while putting on it a spin that's helpful to them.
In this case, as you point out, there are plenty of legitimate grievances, but they're being twisted into something that will (among other things) help one side of the Israel/Palestine conflict. (Trump's election itself could be seen as something in the same vein.)
Seeing things this way cautions one not to reject the baby with the bathwater, because very often trends that have become corrupted by this influence seem bad, but are not necessarily bad in and of themselves - or rather, the versions of those trends that wanted to be born, but were smothered by a certain cuckoo, might not necessarily have been bad in and of themselves.
One important example would be liberal individualism itself; to us now, it seems like poison, but to some degree individualism has always been a component of Britishness, and certainly Englishness. However, the hyper-individualism that became the basis of capitalism, and is still the basis of both political "sides," was perhaps a funhouse mirror version of that individualism that's natural to us, with a particular spin, etc.
Yes, I can see where all of this is heading on both sides of the Atlantic, too.
One problem.
The NeoCons can't get anything right. Everything, but everything they do ends up blowing up in their faces (and ours).
That said the NeoCons/ many former Trotskyites, have over the decades taken out most of Israels enemies and flooded the West with millions of "refugees"
A (((NeoCon))) win win.
Israel is in a perilous state. Iran donkey punched the Israelis hard this summer and Israel's economy is in shambles. The Israelis have lost the Left and half of the political right in America. The youth has turned against them across the West. Gaza is not what I would call an Israeli victory.
If the Israelis are playing 4D chess, they are losing.
This is a strange one because BlackRock the biggest american corporation seems to have Starmer and his imbecile deputy under control. What they don't have under control though is the pakistani led and burgeoning islamic contingent within our politics. They're facing the possibility of a nuclear armed yookay on the edge of Europe led by dumbest most venal government in western history. When their deputy president visits the Cotswolds he gets refused entry such is the level of politicisation in certain businesses. If I were running that pub I'd have invited him and his whole entourage in and before serving desert I'd have made my opinions about the loss of free speech in this country heard by everyone before opening up a debate on the so called holocaust and Jewish influence on western politics and exporting our enemies to somewhere like the Falklands. Toby young would never entertain this idea of course because he doesn't actually believe in free speech.
If humping the Israeli flag to reverse mass migration is the price, then I say it's worth it. Zionism has a shelf life, while altering demographics is permanent
I watched that Sonia Poulton the other day interviewing some woman who said Lucy Connely going to prison was all a psyop. Sounds crazy of course.
The thing is the lassie claimed that the Connelys have often been in the press & that Lucys twitter account appeared to be "stage-managed". Claimed she posted circa 100 tweets a day (whilst also finding time to run a house & child-minding business). Said the husband was one of the 1st virus cases that made a big story in the press at the time and a couple of other things.
Now I'm not saying I believed this as I don't really have the facility to check what was said but I do know that her arrest (& Peter Lynches - was that his name?) did scare people from protesting and making online remarks at a time when things were getting very hot.
One thing I know without being too loony is that a lot of "stories" in the media ARE staged to influence the public so this whole "going off to see Trump" thing makes me a wee bit more suspicious. Just putting it out there, just an idea.
I saw that same video, came to the same conclusion. The Miri woman thinks everything is an op. I looked up her blog and she thought that the Liverpool FC parade incident where that guy ran people over was an op in order to try and ban public ownership of cars. Not to say there weren't strange things about that incident, but her line is too far fetched for me.
Got to remember that there were plenty of cases last year like Connolly that didn't get so much press. There was a guy called Tyler Kay who posted the same words as her in an act of 'solidarity', also pleaded guilty and got 3 years. Longer sentence than Lucy so I assume he is still inside. So even if the Lucy Connolly thing was entirely fake, there's enough other cases of the government making insane arrests and prosecutions over speech.
Wow. 3 years for a tweet. But again this confuses me as I hear the media repeating that Lucy went away because there's more room in woman's prison. So some bloke got even worse but most people never heard. It's all very odd. We've reached a stage where it's almost impossible to know what is fact & what is propaganda. 🤪
Oh yeah, the media is trash. Though some cases will inevitably get more attention than others and Lucy is probably one of those, being a squeaky clean mum and child minder with no criminal past. I can only recall these other cases because I took notes on all the madness going on last summer. They even gave a Romanian (Roma?) guy 3 months for joking on tik tok that he was being chased by rioters: https://www.derbyshire.police.uk/news/derbyshire/news/news/south/2024/august/man-jailed-after-fake-claim-on-tiktok-video-that-he-was-running-for-his-life-from-rioters/
Thanks for that mate. It was interesting because, to be honest, so often we're told that people like that (looks like a shady gypo to me) get away with things. Well he didn't. You've actually given me a little faith in the system today. ☺️
Best Wishes man!
I never said thank you for introducing me to Warhammer all those years ago...the books have provided hours and hours of escape from the utter lunacy of daily life. Thank you Morgoth!
Good observations. My answer to the title would be probably not. Farage is Trump's mate from over here, that's why he would accompany Lucy Connolly. Trump might prefer Farage to be our PM, but criticism of Starmer's government alone will not make that happen. His administration have been critical of other European countries as well, I doubt they want all their governments overthrown. You mention the economic situation at the end, I think that is going to overshadow everything else very soon. Normally I wouldn't pay attention to the budget, but the upcoming one this Autumn is going to be something.
I think you're correct. Furthermore, Tommy and his handlers want to burn this country to the ground and so do the 'neocon' mob like GB News and the Telegraph. I believe the Gaza Genocide and famine is partly aimed at inciting terrorism in western Europe and America that can then be used to incite anti Islam pogroms leading to more laws against free speech or even a military takeover that will end with the likes of us put against the wall. Seen this coming for years. There's no limit to 'neocon' bloodlust and hate.
This is good stuff. For all of us across the entirety of the homelands of European man, this kind of thinking/speculation is only the preliminary exercise. All of us need to take the next step which is. Given this may be the case and this could lead to outcomes A-F:
What can I be doing now to improve my personal lot that has no external dependencies?
What can I do to get into a stronger position given the set of potential outcomes. Each one presents some opportunity/opening for me. Am I ready and do I have the resolve to act to capitalize?
Then, ask and answer the same questions in context of the social fabric of a group or groups that you are weaving.
That is what winners do. We can win if and only if that is how we think and act from here on out.
Carpe Diem and Mars Exulti!